From cringleexpress at cox.net Mon Aug 21 08:06:16 2006 From: cringleexpress at cox.net (Cringle Express) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:06:16 -0700 Subject: Francisco is making the rounds References: <2a6.7aa9d780.321a3691@aol.com> Message-ID: <009201c6c533$5a183e20$647ba8c0@cringle> Do we have a discription of Francisco.Since allen & I say hello to just about anyone who passes by when were outside.Cris ----- Original Message ----- From: Brig180 at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Francisco is making the rounds Just a heads up -- Francisco decided to stop by while I was working in the yard and tell me all about his new regular work. And how they don't pay them on the weekend, and he was asking his regular customers if he could borrow money. Keep in mind that Francisco did the front yard ONCE for my tenants (now gone), about 5 months ago, and was told by them not to come back. He's never done work for me, and in fact only met me once, out in the alley. So, if he's done work for you, or met you, or you've tipped your hat in his general direction, expect to be hit up for beer money! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <00e501c6c3f6$553add10$6501a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <20060821161423.BBNC27846.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@PC1> Call Rick at 602-524-1531. He may have some great ideas and is a good carpenter and idea man. _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Jo Clute Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 6:17 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: Pool platform? recommendation or ideas? heidi just some thoughts, any time you build something that will have to contain a huge live load like that. (like a balcony) that expects a high concentration of people (thus weight) at any given time, you run into engineering issues. Although you could go to the lumber store purchase some 12" I joists (used for floors) frame them across the pool on 12" centers. then use 1 inch decking. This material could be resold so its not wasted. You may be able to use 3/4 inch decking which is cheaper and you may be able to space the joists further apart. I would make an appt with a truss company or a structural engineer and have them give you the plans (or just tell you what to do since its so small) and do it your self then sell the material when you are finished It can be done for WAY cheaper ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:beehivebebe at cox.net"Heidi Progress Lighting To: HYPERLINK "mailto:central-city-discuss at gcna.info"central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Pool platform? recommendation or ideas? We need a platform built in our pool to put a table on for a party. Does anyone know anybody that does this or has any ideas on the best way to do it? We have gotten a few estimates from some staging companies but they are utterly ridiculous, one was 31k, yes, thirty-one thousand dollars... to rent. We are looking to do an 8x10-ish size. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060821/a259172d/attachment.htm From wayne at xnar.com Mon Aug 21 12:16:12 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:16:12 -0700 Subject: Francisco is making the rounds In-Reply-To: <009201c6c533$5a183e20$647ba8c0@cringle> Message-ID: <20060821191616.IAXP2704.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Dell> I couldn't resist. _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Cringle Express Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:06 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: Francisco is making the rounds Do we have a discription of Francisco.Since allen & I say hello to just about anyone who passes by when were outside.Cris ----- Original Message ----- From: Brig180 at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Francisco is making the rounds Just a heads up -- Francisco decided to stop by while I was working in the yard and tell me all about his new regular work. And how they don't pay them on the weekend, and he was asking his regular customers if he could borrow money. Keep in mind that Francisco did the front yard ONCE for my tenants (now gone), about 5 months ago, and was told by them not to come back. He's never done work for me, and in fact only met me once, out in the alley. So, if he's done work for you, or met you, or you've tipped your hat in his general direction, expect to be hit up for beer money! _____ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. 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And how they don't pay > them on the weekend, and he was asking his regular customers if he could > borrow money. > > > > Keep in mind that Francisco did the front yard ONCE for my tenants (now > gone), about 5 months ago, and was told by them not to come back. He's > never done work for me, and in fact only met me once, out in the alley. > > > > So, if he's done work for you, or met you, or you've tipped your hat in his > general direction, expect to be hit up for beer money! > > > _____ > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From maureenrooney at earthlink.net Mon Aug 21 13:45:57 2006 From: maureenrooney at earthlink.net (Maureen Rooney) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:45:57 -0700 Subject: FW: Parks and Recreation Board Meeting - Civic Space/ASU Downtown Campus Message-ID: <410-220068121204557921@earthlink.net> In case anyone is interested and didn't receive this: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 8/21/2006 1:14:12 PM Subject: Parks and Recreation Board Meeting - Civic Space/ASU Downtown Campus Please be advised the Phoenix Parks and Recreation Board is meeting Thursday, August 24, to discuss and approve the public involvement process for the Civic Space project - a partnership with the ASU Downtown Campus. This will not be a meeting on the design or specific elements of the civic space, but a review of the public involvement process only. The meeting will be held at 5 pm at City Council Chambers, 200 West Jefferson. Contact Susan Aguire at 602/495-5215, or email susan.aguire at phoenix.gov., for agenda and copy of the report. "We're all on the same team." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060821/4a75b726/attachment.htm From maggie1one at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 15:33:20 2006 From: maggie1one at gmail.com (Maggie Keane) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:33:20 -0700 Subject: roundabout tree Message-ID: <7cf035d60608211533p63379fa1j66b7a445b9605b7d@mail.gmail.com> What happened to the tree that was in the middle of the roundabout? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 41262 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060822/83549598/attachment-0007.jpg From wayne at xnar.com Tue Aug 22 08:35:44 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:35:44 -0700 Subject: roundabout tree In-Reply-To: <20060822152242.71832.qmail@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060822153550.ZANY12581.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Dell> Did you go by and see the next demonstration project. _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of D A M O N Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:23 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re:roundabout tree I saw it in the parking lot at Sunshine Market, smoking a cigarette last evening, around 9pm. I asked why it wasn't in the roundabout, and it told me to "piss off, I'm on a break." 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If these do not fit, Elizabeth at the Fight back SW may be able to help get supplement funding for a larger tree reinstallation from the program that may have a greater success rate. In the mean time these seem to be attractive. Thank you Wayne PS the approach signage going north was not re-installed prior to the brick work, and is lying on the sidewalk. It is helpful at night especially to have that visible. _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060822/a9aa20af/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060822/a02dd7df/attachment.htm From ktoneal at cox.net Tue Aug 22 11:48:44 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:48:44 -0700 Subject: More Hillary humor Message-ID: <11745586.1156272524858.JavaMail.root@fed1wml06> > Hillary and Bill Clinton and Al Gore die in a car accident and > suddenly find themselves in heaven. > > God addresses Al first. "Al, what do you believe in?" > > Al replies, "Well, I believe I won that election, but that it was your > will that I did not serve. And I've come to understand that now." > > God thinks for a second and says, "OK, very good. Come and sit at > my left." > > God then addresses Bill. "Bill, what do you believe in?" > > Bill replies, "I believe in forgiveness. I've sinned, but I've > never held a grudge against my fellow man, I hope no > grudges are held against me." > > God thinks for a second and says, "You are forgiven, my son. Come > and sit at my right." > > God then addresses Hillary. "Hillary, what do you believe in?" > > Hillary says, "I believe you're in my chair." From president at gcna.info Wed Aug 23 16:38:58 2006 From: president at gcna.info (GCNA President) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:38:58 -0700 Subject: roundabout tree Message-ID: <000801c6c70d$4e0dfe40$0a00a8c0@TVS> FYI, the City has ordered a replacement tree for the 12th Street circle and it should be planted in the next while. Tyler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060823/2621a5c4/attachment.htm From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Wed Aug 23 17:53:55 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:53:55 -0700 Subject: roundabout tree In-Reply-To: <000801c6c70d$4e0dfe40$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: Oh.. no island oasis from Wayne then? Sad. I still think my idea of a mini put-put golf course would be fun! -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: "GCNA President" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: roundabout tree Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:38:58 -0700 FYI, the City has ordered a replacement tree for the 12th Street circle and it should be planted in the next while. Tyler _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From josepi at doitnow.com Wed Aug 23 18:17:19 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:17:19 -0700 Subject: Awesome Body shop Message-ID: <069001c6c71b$38b7c590$6501a8c0@JoClute> I went to get my car repaired from the bullet damages and all the estimates I recieved were from cash from 700 to through the insurance co for 1300. I then went to Perez's Auto Body on 35th Ave and Filmore, they quoted $150 and it took them one day. When I got there the paint matched PERFECTLY---- AND they even painted another scratch for me that I didn't even ask them to do. No wonder our insurance is so expensive but these guys are awesome. Had I followed my adjuster's advise, I would have had to pay my $1000 deductable. -Clute -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sad. > > I still think my idea of a mini put-put golf course would be fun! > > -Ivana > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "GCNA President" > Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > To: > Subject: roundabout tree > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:38:58 -0700 > > FYI, the City has ordered a replacement tree for the 12th Street circle > and > it should be planted in the next while. > > Tyler > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 24453 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060823/bcf981d9/attachment.jpg From jenniferfierro at cox.net Wed Aug 23 20:42:39 2006 From: jenniferfierro at cox.net (Jennifer Fierro Downing) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:42:39 -0700 Subject: roundabout tree In-Reply-To: <00e401c6c71d$68cf8f90$0400a8c0@AVERATEC> References: <00e401c6c71d$68cf8f90$0400a8c0@AVERATEC> Message-ID: <0B4937AB-C51C-46E0-80F7-5BD05779464C@cox.net> the phoenix has been gone for a while, sorry to burst your bubble On Aug 23, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Scott wrote: > > Perhaps we could get a deal on the Phoenix from the old Hard Rock Cafe > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivana Olson" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 5:53 PM > Subject: RE: roundabout tree > > >> Oh.. no island oasis from Wayne then? Sad. >> >> I still think my idea of a mini put-put golf course would be fun! >> >> -Ivana >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "GCNA President" >> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >> To: >> Subject: roundabout tree >> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:38:58 -0700 >> >> FYI, the City has ordered a replacement tree for the 12th Street >> circle and >> it should be planted in the next while. >> >> Tyler >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >> post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e- >> mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >> Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >> post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way >> reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e- >> mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >> Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to > post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e- > mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood > Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Thu Aug 24 03:12:36 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:12:36 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo In-Reply-To: <0B4937AB-C51C-46E0-80F7-5BD05779464C@cox.net> Message-ID: Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some car doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with it's alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway and hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go off and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored them at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and cussing at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can and threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been very quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside to call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off with their car. When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and maybe offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one would talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one cop telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time to say they would be picking up the car. None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though and I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were reporting the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I figure they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and don't care. Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the owners?? This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why someone was taking their car out of their driveway. I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time about the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident really scared them, as it did me. -Ivana From wayne at xnar.com Thu Aug 24 07:16:57 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:16:57 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060824141702.KMGO4015.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I used to help repo cars in LA. The owners "never" know why their car is being taken. -----Original Message----- From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:13 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Violent early morning repo Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some car doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with it's alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway and hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go off and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored them at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and cussing at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can and threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been very quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside to call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off with their car. When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and maybe offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one would talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one cop telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time to say they would be picking up the car. None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though and I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were reporting the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I figure they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and don't care. Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the owners?? This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why someone was taking their car out of their driveway. I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time about the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident really scared them, as it did me. -Ivana _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 07:40:54 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:40:54 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: Message-ID: <004401c6c78b$4de8c5c0$ef33b046@Windsor> I don't believe it would be in the best interest of a financial institution (or whatever company is financing a car purchase) to schedule a date and time for reposession of a car with a non-paying customer. Giving a specific date and time of reposession would allow the deadbeat customer time to stash the car somewhere else or, worse, trash the car. Although I've never been in the repo business, I'm sure the people sent out to retrieve cars have encountered a number of angry and/or violent individuals. Also, you don't get your car repo'ed for non-payment without knowing full well that you haven't made the payments as scheduled. Frankly, it sounds as though they got what they deserved. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivana Olson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: Violent early morning repo > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some > car > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with > it's > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. > > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway > and > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go > off > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored > them > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) > > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and cussing > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can > and > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been very > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside to > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off > with > their car. > > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and > maybe > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one would > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one cop > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time to > say they would be picking up the car. > > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though and > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were reporting > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I > figure > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and don't > care. > > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the > owners?? > > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why > someone > was taking their car out of their driveway. > > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time > about > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident > really > scared them, as it did me. > > -Ivana > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From president at gcna.info Thu Aug 24 08:02:16 2006 From: president at gcna.info (GCNA President) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:02:16 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c6c78e$49d3ab50$0a00a8c0@TVS> Ivana, Regardless of whether or not your neighbors knew why the car was being repossessed, I find it really disturbing that the driver would pull a gun on them. If he had notified the police in advance and there was a problem, then he should have waited for the police. If I were you, I would call the police non-emergency number and specifically ask to file a complaint about his actions. If you have any specific information about the name of the towing company, etc, that would be useful. Threatening someone with a gun is not legal. If you don't get a response from your request, then please follow up with our Community Action Officer, Manny Valenzuela, or plan on bringing it up with the police at our next meeting. Thanks, Tyler -----Original Message----- From: Ivana Olson [mailto:hazey_marie at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:13 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Violent early morning repo Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some car doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with it's alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway and hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go off and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored them at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and cussing at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can and threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been very quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside to call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off with their car. When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and maybe offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one would talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one cop telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time to say they would be picking up the car. None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though and I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were reporting the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I figure they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and don't care. Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the owners?? This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why someone was taking their car out of their driveway. I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time about the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident really scared them, as it did me. -Ivana _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From josepi at doitnow.com Thu Aug 24 09:25:52 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: Message-ID: <075001c6c79a$24db9860$6501a8c0@JoClute> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the car owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are always skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old house on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized what was going on I gated him in and called the police. I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But when people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with their bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, are just so imperative. From: "Ivana Olson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: Violent early morning repo > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some > car > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with > it's > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. > > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway > and > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go > off > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored > them > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) > > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and cussing > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can > and > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been very > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside to > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off > with > their car. > > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and > maybe > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one would > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one cop > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time to > say they would be picking up the car. > > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though and > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were reporting > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I > figure > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and don't > care. > > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the > owners?? > > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why > someone > was taking their car out of their driveway. > > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time > about > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident > really > scared them, as it did me. > > -Ivana > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From samisavage2001 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 12:36:28 2006 From: samisavage2001 at yahoo.com (sam savage) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Any October Rentals? Message-ID: <20060824193628.92150.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, My lease (on Palm Ln) is up in Oct. I'm looking around now to see what might be available. If any of you know of any rentals open on October 1st please let me know. I'd love to stay in Coronado if possible (I've been here for 4.5 years already) I'm looking for any of the following: Guest House Duplex Studio Condo or Shared House. with a fenced Yard I'm a Non-smoker with 1 friendly dog (lab/boxer female, 55lbs). I'd prefer a 6 month lease or month to month. I've got great credit and excellent references from my (2) current and previous landlords in Coronado. Thanks, Samantha (Sam) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/e4af4cc7/attachment.htm From president at gcna.info Thu Aug 24 14:28:15 2006 From: president at gcna.info (GCNA President) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:28:15 -0700 Subject: FW: found dog Message-ID: <000c01c6c7c4$35f390b0$0a00a8c0@TVS> _____ From: Kathy Pankow [mailto:katherinepankow3287 at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: found dog Hello Everyone A very small dog wandered into my open garage this AM. I am on the corner of 8th and Windsor in Country Club Park. Very tame, owner please ID with coat color and collar description. thank you Kathy 279-3287 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/e2dbd2b7/attachment.htm From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Thu Aug 24 16:27:42 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:27:42 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo In-Reply-To: <004401c6c78b$4de8c5c0$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: I understand not scheduling when you're coming for the car, but the violence and screaming on the part of the repo guy was completely uncalled for. The guy pulled a gun in a situation that in no way warranted it. The car is back now so I guess they got it all sorted out. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Brian Leach" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:40:54 -0700 I don't believe it would be in the best interest of a financial institution (or whatever company is financing a car purchase) to schedule a date and time for reposession of a car with a non-paying customer. Giving a specific date and time of reposession would allow the deadbeat customer time to stash the car somewhere else or, worse, trash the car. Although I've never been in the repo business, I'm sure the people sent out to retrieve cars have encountered a number of angry and/or violent individuals. Also, you don't get your car repo'ed for non-payment without knowing full well that you haven't made the payments as scheduled. Frankly, it sounds as though they got what they deserved. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivana Olson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: Violent early morning repo > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some > car > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with > it's > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. > > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway > and > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go > off > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored > them > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) > > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and cussing > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can > and > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been very > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside to > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off > with > their car. > > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and > maybe > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one would > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one cop > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time to > say they would be picking up the car. > > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though and > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were reporting > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I > figure > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and don't > care. > > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the > owners?? > > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why > someone > was taking their car out of their driveway. > > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time > about > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident > really > scared them, as it did me. > > -Ivana > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Thu Aug 24 16:34:29 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:34:29 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo In-Reply-To: <075001c6c79a$24db9860$6501a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car was being stolen. Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to give the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jo Clute" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the car owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are always skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old house on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized what was going on I gated him in and called the police. I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But when people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with their bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, are just so imperative. From: "Ivana Olson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: Violent early morning repo > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some > car > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with > it's > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. > > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway > and > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go > off > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored > them > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) > > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and cussing > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can > and > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been very > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside to > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off > with > their car. > > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and > maybe > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one would > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one cop > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time to > say they would be picking up the car. > > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though and > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were reporting > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I > figure > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and don't > care. > > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the > owners?? > > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why > someone > was taking their car out of their driveway. > > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time > about > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident > really > scared them, as it did me. > > -Ivana > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From josepi at doitnow.com Thu Aug 24 18:27:11 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:27:11 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: Message-ID: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivana Olson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car was > being stolen. > > Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to give > the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Jo Clute" > Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > To: > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 > > A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the > car > owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are > always > skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old > house > on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my > property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized what > was going on I gated him in and called the police. > > I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I > thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But > when > people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with > their > bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal > responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, > are > just so imperative. > > > > From: "Ivana Olson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM > Subject: Violent early morning repo > > > > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard some > > car > > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the > > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with > > it's > > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is > > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud > > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. > > > > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway > > and > > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm go > > off > > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored > > them > > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when they > > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with their > > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) > > > > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and > cussing > > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to their > > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can > > and > > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been > very > > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside > > to > > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off > > with > > their car. > > > > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and > > maybe > > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one > > would > > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one > cop > > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time > to > > say they would be picking up the car. > > > > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though > > and > > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were > > reporting > > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I > > figure > > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and > don't > > care. > > > > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company > > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the > > owners?? > > > > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or > > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more than > > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why > > someone > > was taking their car out of their driveway. > > > > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time > > about > > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident > > really > > scared them, as it did me. > > > > -Ivana > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > --Note-- > > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > > to the central-city-discuss list. > > > > --Disclaimer-- > > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 19:48:30 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:48:30 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd think it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of the night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals haven't been able to change that - yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Clute" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivana Olson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >> was >> being stolen. >> >> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >> give >> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >> >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Jo Clute" >> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >> To: >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >> >> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >> car >> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >> always >> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >> house >> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized what >> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >> >> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >> when >> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >> their >> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >> are >> just so imperative. >> >> >> >> From: "Ivana Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >> Subject: Violent early morning repo >> >> >> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >> > some >> > car >> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the >> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with >> > it's >> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which is >> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >> > >> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors driveway >> > and >> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >> > go >> > off >> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver ignored >> > them >> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >> > they >> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >> > their >> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >> > >> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >> cussing >> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >> > their >> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle can >> > and >> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >> very >> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside >> > to >> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off >> > with >> > their car. >> > >> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >> > maybe >> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >> > would >> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one >> cop >> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of time >> to >> > say they would be picking up the car. >> > >> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >> > and >> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >> > reporting >> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >> > figure >> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >> don't >> > care. >> > >> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing company >> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >> > owners?? >> > >> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >> > than >> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >> > someone >> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >> > >> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time >> > about >> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >> > really >> > scared them, as it did me. >> > >> > -Ivana >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > --Note-- >> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> > to the central-city-discuss list. >> > >> > --Disclaimer-- >> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> > >> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From dennismacleod at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 20:50:32 2006 From: dennismacleod at yahoo.com (Dennis Mac Leod) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Important Public Meeting Thursday Message-ID: <20060825035032.93402.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DVC Members and Friends: Thursday August 24th at 5 Pm the City of Phoenix Parks board will be meeting. There are two important items on the agenda. The first item is Patriots Park. A development project is being planned for the Patriot's Square block and under this proposal it is quite likley that land that is now public will be ceded to private development or come under private management. This will be your opportunity to be heard on this subject. The second item on the agenda of interest is a presentation of the ASU Downtown Campus Master Plan. and an explanation of what the Park Master Plan Process will be (this may be referring to the so called "grand civic space" many of us have been concerned about). So try to make this meeting if these isues are of importance to you. The meeting will be at the City of Phoenix City Council Chambers (single story domed building between Washington and Jefferson at about 3rd Avenue). Beatrice Moore --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/c32b36f6/attachment.htm From josepi at doitnow.com Thu Aug 24 21:03:23 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:03:23 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute> <000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: <006401c6c7fb$691217f0$6401a8c0@JoClute> im speechless ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Leach" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a > totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd > think > it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of the > night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. > > Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or > fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals > haven't been able to change that - yet. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Clute" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ivana Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>> was >>> being stolen. >>> >>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>> give >>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>> From: "Jo Clute" >>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>> >>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >>> car >>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>> always >>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>> house >>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>> what >>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>> >>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>> when >>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>> their >>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >>> are >>> just so imperative. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>> > some >>> > car >>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the >>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with >>> > it's >>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>> > is >>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>> > >>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>> > driveway >>> > and >>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >>> > go >>> > off >>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>> > ignored >>> > them >>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>> > they >>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>> > their >>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>> > >>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>> cussing >>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>> > their >>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>> > can >>> > and >>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >>> very >>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside >>> > to >>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off >>> > with >>> > their car. >>> > >>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >>> > maybe >>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>> > would >>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one >>> cop >>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>> > time >>> to >>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>> > >>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >>> > and >>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>> > reporting >>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >>> > figure >>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>> don't >>> > care. >>> > >>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>> > company >>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>> > owners?? >>> > >>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>> > than >>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>> > someone >>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>> > >>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time >>> > about >>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >>> > really >>> > scared them, as it did me. >>> > >>> > -Ivana >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > --Note-- >>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>> > post >>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>> > >>> > --Disclaimer-- >>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>> > e-mail >>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>> > Association. >>> > >>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 21:06:39 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:06:39 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute><000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor> <006401c6c7fb$691217f0$6401a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <001001c6c7fb$ddcaec20$ef33b046@Windsor> you should be. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Clute" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > im speechless > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Leach" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd >> think >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of >> the >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >> >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >> haven't been able to change that - yet. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Clute" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>>> was >>>> being stolen. >>>> >>>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>>> give >>>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>>> From: "Jo Clute" >>>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>>> >>>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >>>> car >>>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>>> always >>>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>>> house >>>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>>> what >>>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>>> >>>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>>> when >>>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>>> their >>>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >>>> are >>>> just so imperative. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>>> >>>> >>>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>>> > some >>>> > car >>>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out >>>> > the >>>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar >>>> > with >>>> > it's >>>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>>> > is >>>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >>>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>>> > >>>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>>> > driveway >>>> > and >>>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >>>> > go >>>> > off >>>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>>> > ignored >>>> > them >>>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>>> > they >>>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>>> > their >>>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>>> > >>>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>>> cussing >>>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>>> > their >>>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>>> > can >>>> > and >>>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >>>> very >>>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran >>>> > inside >>>> > to >>>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped >>>> > off >>>> > with >>>> > their car. >>>> > >>>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >>>> > maybe >>>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>>> > would >>>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard >>>> > one >>>> cop >>>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>>> > time >>>> to >>>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>>> > >>>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >>>> > and >>>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>>> > reporting >>>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >>>> > figure >>>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>>> don't >>>> > care. >>>> > >>>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>>> > company >>>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>>> > owners?? >>>> > >>>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >>>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>>> > than >>>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>>> > someone >>>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>>> > >>>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of >>>> > time >>>> > about >>>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >>>> > really >>>> > scared them, as it did me. >>>> > >>>> > -Ivana >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > --Note-- >>>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>>> > post >>>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> > >>>> > --Disclaimer-- >>>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>>> > e-mail >>>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>>> > Association. >>>> > >>>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From rjayc40 at mindspring.com Thu Aug 24 21:19:40 2006 From: rjayc40 at mindspring.com (Richard ) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:19:40 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <410-2200685254194062@mindspring.com> Using that same logic, then the deadbeats who didn't make their car payments ALSO had the right to carry a gun (or two or fifteen). What if they decided to use their gun(s) to protect their property (that they didn't pay for)? Guns are designed for one purpose - to kill people. > [Original Message] > From: Brian Leach > To: > Date: 8/24/2006 7:49:47 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a > totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd think > it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of the > night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. > > Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or > fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals > haven't been able to change that - yet. > From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 21:28:16 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:28:16 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <410-2200685254194062@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <002801c6c7fe$e3060140$ef33b046@Windsor> Guns may have been designed to kill things (including people), but they can be carried solely for protection, and the repo man had every right to carry one. I'd rather shoot someone with my gun than have someone shoot me with theirs, so take your choice. The deadbeats also have the right (if they are US citiizens) to carry a gun. Seeing how the car was being repo'ed, I guess it really isn't their property, now is it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard " To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > Using that same logic, then the deadbeats who didn't make their car > payments ALSO had the right to carry a gun (or two or fifteen). What if > they decided to use their gun(s) to protect their property (that they > didn't pay for)? Guns are designed for one purpose - to kill people. > > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Brian Leach >> To: >> Date: 8/24/2006 7:49:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd > think >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of > the >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >> >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >> haven't been able to change that - yet. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From josepi at doitnow.com Thu Aug 24 21:30:08 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:30:08 -0700 Subject: Any October Rentals? References: <20060824193628.92150.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009601c6c7ff$25b27c80$6401a8c0@JoClute> sam, cool building for rent on 9th Ave and Pierce. I am not sure what you want to pay for rent but its an art space over 1000/mo. that used to be a corner store. ----- Original Message ----- From: sam savage To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Any October Rentals? Hi All, My lease (on Palm Ln) is up in Oct. I'm looking around now to see what might be available. If any of you know of any rentals open on October 1st please let me know. I'd love to stay in Coronado if possible (I've been here for 4.5 years already) I'm looking for any of the following: a.. Guest House b.. Duplex c.. Studio d.. Condo e.. or Shared House. f.. with a fenced Yard I'm a Non-smoker with 1 friendly dog (lab/boxer female, 55lbs). I'd prefer a 6 month lease or month to month. I've got great credit and excellent references from my (2) current and previous landlords in Coronado. Thanks, Samantha (Sam) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/78008b4c/attachment.htm From rjayc40 at mindspring.com Thu Aug 24 21:38:13 2006 From: rjayc40 at mindspring.com (Richard ) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:38:13 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <410-22006852543813171@mindspring.com> Uhm, that was the point. It was NOT their property (if they didn't pay for it) but you are saying they should have the right to own the gun (to defend their property)? So what if they used it? To defend their property (that is not their property)? And what if they used your logic (again) - that they are going to kill someone with THEIR own gun, before they killed by someone else's. > [Original Message] > From: Brian Leach > To: > Date: 8/24/2006 9:29:21 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > Guns may have been designed to kill things (including people), but they can > be carried solely for protection, and the repo man had every right to carry > one. I'd rather shoot someone with my gun than have someone shoot me with > theirs, so take your choice. The deadbeats also have the right (if they are > US citiizens) to carry a gun. Seeing how the car was being repo'ed, I guess > it really isn't their property, now is it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard " > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > > > Using that same logic, then the deadbeats who didn't make their car > > payments ALSO had the right to carry a gun (or two or fifteen). What if > > they decided to use their gun(s) to protect their property (that they > > didn't pay for)? Guns are designed for one purpose - to kill people. > > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Brian Leach > >> To: > >> Date: 8/24/2006 7:49:47 PM > >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > >> > >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a > >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd > > think > >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of > > the > >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. > >> > >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or > >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals > >> haven't been able to change that - yet. > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > --Note-- > > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > > to the central-city-discuss list. > > > > --Disclaimer-- > > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From josepi at doitnow.com Thu Aug 24 21:38:17 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:38:17 -0700 Subject: Fw: AvenueTen Studio & Gallery Grand Opening, The 1 September First Fridays Mystery Show Invitational and Birthday Bash! SWEW!! Message-ID: <00a901c6c800$4a4cf330$6401a8c0@JoClute> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Dezvoux To: ed autry ; Alex Ballesteros ; randy brown ; Jo Clute ; SarahBrown DavidSeacord ; Rick DElia Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: AvenueTen Studio & Gallery Grand Opening,The 1 September First Fridays Mystery Show Invitational and Birthday Bash! SWEW!! Hey, Gang! I'm tapping on your email door to get you charged up for the fun-filled evening. I plan on seeing you there - (well, most of you)! When you get there, just look for the guy with a grin from ear to ear, floating from clique to clique and munching on everyone's potluck snacks. I'm so excited to share this evening with you. All you have to do is show up - something's bound to happen - at least that's what the 20-piece rubberband box playing 50+ year old kindergartners have assured me. Hey, it's tough securing entertainment on short notice and no budget. If I have to, I can play a good blues tune on the piano. . . over and over and . . . you get the picture. Bring your entertainment skills, too. I'll be sure to put you on the spot. If you know anyone else who will work for milk and cookies and mild applause, send 'em my way. See you there. If you don't show - that means another cheeseplatter for the rest of the month! GEEZ! Terry Krause, Head Leo, Owner & Operator AvenueTen Studio & Gallery 602-354-8489 or 602-472-9987 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/91747b21/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ave10 Latest Annc. 24 Aug 06.doc Type: application/msword Size: 25088 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/91747b21/attachment.doc From president at gcna.info Thu Aug 24 21:40:18 2006 From: president at gcna.info (GCNA President) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:40:18 -0700 Subject: Guns and violence In-Reply-To: <002801c6c7fe$e3060140$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: <003a01c6c800$913c4840$0a00a8c0@TVS> Howdy all: I have asked Commander Hynes of the Central Precinct to look into the incident that Ivana reported and he's having Lt. Tomory (who many of you know from our meetings) find out what happened and if it was all handled properly. As none of us -- other than those who were there -- really know what happened and who did what, let's wait a bit to find out before jumping to too many conclusions. No matter where we may stand on the issue of guns and the Second Amendment, I'm sure that all of us can agree that the most important thing is making certain that incidents are handled within the law and with the minimum of harm and disruption. I will let you all know when we have more information. Thanks much, Tyler From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 21:47:23 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:47:23 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute> <000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: <0b4c01c6c801$8e669d90$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Such compassion... God Brian, I hope you never fall on hard times, it would be terrible if you had to walk a mile in those souless shoes. VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Leach" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a > totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd > think > it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of the > night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. > > Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or > fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals > haven't been able to change that - yet. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Clute" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ivana Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>> was >>> being stolen. >>> >>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>> give >>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>> From: "Jo Clute" >>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>> >>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >>> car >>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>> always >>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>> house >>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>> what >>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>> >>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>> when >>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>> their >>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >>> are >>> just so imperative. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>> > some >>> > car >>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the >>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with >>> > it's >>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>> > is >>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>> > >>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>> > driveway >>> > and >>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >>> > go >>> > off >>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>> > ignored >>> > them >>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>> > they >>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>> > their >>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>> > >>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>> cussing >>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>> > their >>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>> > can >>> > and >>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >>> very >>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside >>> > to >>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off >>> > with >>> > their car. >>> > >>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >>> > maybe >>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>> > would >>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one >>> cop >>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>> > time >>> to >>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>> > >>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >>> > and >>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>> > reporting >>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >>> > figure >>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>> don't >>> > care. >>> > >>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>> > company >>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>> > owners?? >>> > >>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>> > than >>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>> > someone >>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>> > >>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time >>> > about >>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >>> > really >>> > scared them, as it did me. >>> > >>> > -Ivana >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > --Note-- >>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>> > post >>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>> > >>> > --Disclaimer-- >>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>> > e-mail >>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>> > Association. >>> > >>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 21:51:19 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:51:19 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <410-2200685254194062@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <0b6501c6c802$1b4cddf0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> So maybe we need to elect representatives in DC that will work to protect us from crazy repo guys with guns instead of protecting us from (gasp) gay marriage. VOTE on Sept 12 people Request your early ballot today (deadline - Sept 1) Just click here: https://recorder.maricopa.gov/EarlyVoteBallot/evbrequest.aspx VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard " To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > Using that same logic, then the deadbeats who didn't make their car > payments ALSO had the right to carry a gun (or two or fifteen). What if > they decided to use their gun(s) to protect their property (that they > didn't pay for)? Guns are designed for one purpose - to kill people. > > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Brian Leach >> To: >> Date: 8/24/2006 7:49:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd > think >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of > the >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >> >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >> haven't been able to change that - yet. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 21:54:12 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:54:12 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute> <000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: <0b8f01c6c802$81ec3ab0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Whoops, I forgot to sign my last note to Brian Michelle, Liberal with a capitol L and damn proud of it! VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Leach" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a > totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd > think > it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of the > night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. > > Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or > fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals > haven't been able to change that - yet. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Clute" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ivana Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>> was >>> being stolen. >>> >>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>> give >>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>> From: "Jo Clute" >>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>> >>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >>> car >>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>> always >>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>> house >>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>> what >>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>> >>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>> when >>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>> their >>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >>> are >>> just so imperative. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>> > some >>> > car >>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out the >>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar with >>> > it's >>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>> > is >>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>> > >>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>> > driveway >>> > and >>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >>> > go >>> > off >>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>> > ignored >>> > them >>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>> > they >>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>> > their >>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>> > >>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>> cussing >>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>> > their >>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>> > can >>> > and >>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >>> very >>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran inside >>> > to >>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped off >>> > with >>> > their car. >>> > >>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >>> > maybe >>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>> > would >>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard one >>> cop >>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>> > time >>> to >>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>> > >>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >>> > and >>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>> > reporting >>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >>> > figure >>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>> don't >>> > care. >>> > >>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>> > company >>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>> > owners?? >>> > >>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>> > than >>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>> > someone >>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>> > >>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of time >>> > about >>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >>> > really >>> > scared them, as it did me. >>> > >>> > -Ivana >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > --Note-- >>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>> > post >>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>> > >>> > --Disclaimer-- >>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>> > e-mail >>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>> > Association. >>> > >>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:04:57 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:04:57 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <410-22006852543813171@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <003401c6c804$02ca8910$ef33b046@Windsor> You're not making a lot of sense, quite honestly. You don't have the right to kill someone because they are taking something from you that doesn't belong to you. My point was that the repo man has the right to carry a gun for protection against some idiot who might pull a gun to keep his car from being reposessed. If I had his job, I'd carry one too, since I would be concerned with the caliber of people I might encounter when taking back a car they didn't bother to pay for. Besides, if guns were never invented and produced, do you really believe there would be no such thing as murder? Are people never killed by someone using a weapon other than a gun? Have you ever heard of knives, poison or fire, to name a few other "weapons"? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard " To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > Uhm, that was the point. It was NOT their property (if they didn't pay for > it) but you are saying they should have the right to own the gun (to > defend > their property)? So what if they used it? To defend their property (that > is > not their property)? And what if they used your logic (again) - that they > are going to kill someone with THEIR own gun, before they killed by > someone > else's. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Brian Leach >> To: >> Date: 8/24/2006 9:29:21 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> Guns may have been designed to kill things (including people), but they > can >> be carried solely for protection, and the repo man had every right to > carry >> one. I'd rather shoot someone with my gun than have someone shoot me > with >> theirs, so take your choice. The deadbeats also have the right (if they > are >> US citiizens) to carry a gun. Seeing how the car was being repo'ed, I > guess >> it really isn't their property, now is it. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard " >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:19 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >> > Using that same logic, then the deadbeats who didn't make their car >> > payments ALSO had the right to carry a gun (or two or fifteen). What if >> > they decided to use their gun(s) to protect their property (that they >> > didn't pay for)? Guns are designed for one purpose - to kill people. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Brian Leach >> >> To: >> >> Date: 8/24/2006 7:49:47 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >> >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun >> >> a >> >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd >> > think >> >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of >> > the >> >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >> >> >> >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >> >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >> >> haven't been able to change that - yet. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > --Note-- >> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> > to the central-city-discuss list. >> > >> > --Disclaimer-- >> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> > >> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:08:16 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:08:16 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute><000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor> <0b8f01c6c802$81ec3ab0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <004001c6c804$79a0bf00$ef33b046@Windsor> I'm not sure I'd publically boast about being a liberal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Steinberg" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > Whoops, I forgot to sign my last note to Brian > Michelle, > Liberal with a capitol L and damn proud of it! > > > > VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. > REGISTER AND VOTE!! > www.servicearizona.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Leach" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd >> think >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of >> the >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >> >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >> haven't been able to change that - yet. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Clute" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>>> was >>>> being stolen. >>>> >>>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>>> give >>>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>>> From: "Jo Clute" >>>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>>> >>>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >>>> car >>>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>>> always >>>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>>> house >>>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>>> what >>>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>>> >>>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>>> when >>>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>>> their >>>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >>>> are >>>> just so imperative. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>>> >>>> >>>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>>> > some >>>> > car >>>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out >>>> > the >>>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar >>>> > with >>>> > it's >>>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>>> > is >>>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >>>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>>> > >>>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>>> > driveway >>>> > and >>>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >>>> > go >>>> > off >>>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>>> > ignored >>>> > them >>>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>>> > they >>>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>>> > their >>>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>>> > >>>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>>> cussing >>>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>>> > their >>>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>>> > can >>>> > and >>>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >>>> very >>>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran >>>> > inside >>>> > to >>>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped >>>> > off >>>> > with >>>> > their car. >>>> > >>>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >>>> > maybe >>>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>>> > would >>>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard >>>> > one >>>> cop >>>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>>> > time >>>> to >>>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>>> > >>>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >>>> > and >>>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>>> > reporting >>>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >>>> > figure >>>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>>> don't >>>> > care. >>>> > >>>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>>> > company >>>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>>> > owners?? >>>> > >>>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >>>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>>> > than >>>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>>> > someone >>>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>>> > >>>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of >>>> > time >>>> > about >>>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >>>> > really >>>> > scared them, as it did me. >>>> > >>>> > -Ivana >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > --Note-- >>>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>>> > post >>>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> > >>>> > --Disclaimer-- >>>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>>> > e-mail >>>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>>> > Association. >>>> > >>>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:13:45 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:13:45 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute><000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor><0b8f01c6c802$81ec3ab0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> <004001c6c804$79a0bf00$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: <0be201c6c805$3d4324c0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Well, of course not. You can't, now can you? VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Leach" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > I'm not sure I'd publically boast about being a liberal. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Steinberg" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> Whoops, I forgot to sign my last note to Brian >> Michelle, >> Liberal with a capitol L and damn proud of it! >> >> >> >> VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. >> REGISTER AND VOTE!! >> www.servicearizona.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Leach" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >>> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd >>> think >>> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of >>> the >>> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >>> >>> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >>> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >>> haven't been able to change that - yet. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jo Clute" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>>> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>>> >>>> >>>>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>>>> was >>>>> being stolen. >>>>> >>>>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>>>> give >>>>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>>>> From: "Jo Clute" >>>>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually >>>>> the >>>>> car >>>>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>>>> always >>>>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>>>> house >>>>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>>>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>>>> what >>>>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>>>> >>>>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>>>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>>>> when >>>>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>>>> their >>>>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>>>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending >>>>> habits, >>>>> are >>>>> just so imperative. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>>>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>>>> > some >>>>> > car >>>>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out >>>>> > the >>>>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar >>>>> > with >>>>> > it's >>>>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>>>> > is >>>>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard >>>>> > loud >>>>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>>>> > >>>>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>>>> > driveway >>>>> > and >>>>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car >>>>> > alarm >>>>> > go >>>>> > off >>>>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>>>> > ignored >>>>> > them >>>>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>>>> > they >>>>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>>>> > their >>>>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>>>> > >>>>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>>>> cussing >>>>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>>>> > their >>>>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>>>> > can >>>>> > and >>>>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have >>>>> > been >>>>> very >>>>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran >>>>> > inside >>>>> > to >>>>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped >>>>> > off >>>>> > with >>>>> > their car. >>>>> > >>>>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay >>>>> > and >>>>> > maybe >>>>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>>>> > would >>>>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard >>>>> > one >>>>> cop >>>>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>>>> > time >>>>> to >>>>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>>>> > >>>>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, >>>>> > though >>>>> > and >>>>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>>>> > reporting >>>>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw >>>>> > I >>>>> > figure >>>>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>>>> don't >>>>> > care. >>>>> > >>>>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>>>> > company >>>>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>>>> > owners?? >>>>> > >>>>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud >>>>> > or >>>>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>>>> > than >>>>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>>>> > someone >>>>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>>>> > >>>>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of >>>>> > time >>>>> > about >>>>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this >>>>> > incident >>>>> > really >>>>> > scared them, as it did me. >>>>> > >>>>> > -Ivana >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > --Note-- >>>>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>>>> > post >>>>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>>>> > >>>>> > --Disclaimer-- >>>>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>>>> > e-mail >>>>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>>>> > Association. >>>>> > >>>>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> --Note-- >>>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>>>> post >>>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>>> >>>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>>>> e-mail >>>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>>>> Association. >>>>> >>>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> --Note-- >>>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>>>> post >>>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>>> >>>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>>>> e-mail >>>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>>>> Association. >>>>> >>>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:14:13 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:14:13 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <0beb01c6c805$4dc8ba30$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Such compassion... God Brian, I hope you never fall on hard times, it would be terrible if you had to walk a mile in those souless shoes. > > > VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. > REGISTER AND VOTE!! > www.servicearizona.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Leach" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd >> think >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of >> the >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >> >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >> haven't been able to change that - yet. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Clute" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>>> was >>>> being stolen. >>>> >>>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>>> give >>>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>>> From: "Jo Clute" >>>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>>> >>>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >>>> car >>>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>>> always >>>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>>> house >>>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>>> what >>>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>>> >>>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>>> when >>>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>>> their >>>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >>>> are >>>> just so imperative. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>>> >>>> >>>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>>> > some >>>> > car >>>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out >>>> > the >>>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar >>>> > with >>>> > it's >>>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>>> > is >>>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >>>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>>> > >>>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>>> > driveway >>>> > and >>>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >>>> > go >>>> > off >>>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>>> > ignored >>>> > them >>>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>>> > they >>>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>>> > their >>>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>>> > >>>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>>> cussing >>>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>>> > their >>>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>>> > can >>>> > and >>>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >>>> very >>>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran >>>> > inside >>>> > to >>>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped >>>> > off >>>> > with >>>> > their car. >>>> > >>>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >>>> > maybe >>>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>>> > would >>>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard >>>> > one >>>> cop >>>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>>> > time >>>> to >>>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>>> > >>>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >>>> > and >>>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>>> > reporting >>>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >>>> > figure >>>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>>> don't >>>> > care. >>>> > >>>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>>> > company >>>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>>> > owners?? >>>> > >>>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >>>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>>> > than >>>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>>> > someone >>>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>>> > >>>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of >>>> > time >>>> > about >>>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >>>> > really >>>> > scared them, as it did me. >>>> > >>>> > -Ivana >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > --Note-- >>>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>>> > post >>>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> > >>>> > --Disclaimer-- >>>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>>> > e-mail >>>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>>> > Association. >>>> > >>>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:14:34 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:14:34 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <0bf001c6c805$5aac70c0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> So maybe we need to elect representatives in DC that will work to protect us from crazy repo guys with guns instead of protecting us from (gasp) gay marriage. VOTE on Sept 12 people Request your early ballot today (deadline - Sept 1) Just click here: https://recorder.maricopa.gov/EarlyVoteBallot/evbrequest.aspx > > > VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. > REGISTER AND VOTE!! > www.servicearizona.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard " > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> Using that same logic, then the deadbeats who didn't make their car >> payments ALSO had the right to carry a gun (or two or fifteen). What if >> they decided to use their gun(s) to protect their property (that they >> didn't pay for)? Guns are designed for one purpose - to kill people. >> >> >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Brian Leach >>> To: >>> Date: 8/24/2006 7:49:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >>> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd >> think >>> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of >> the >>> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >>> >>> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >>> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >>> haven't been able to change that - yet. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > From president at gcna.info Thu Aug 24 22:15:11 2006 From: president at gcna.info (GCNA President) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:15:11 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo In-Reply-To: <004001c6c804$79a0bf00$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: <003b01c6c805$706819a0$0a00a8c0@TVS> All right, enough already. Remember: we play nice on the list serve and limit our biting witty insults to private e-mail exchanges. Thank you. Tyler From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:20:20 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:20:20 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <0c0901c6c806$28a04970$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Such compassion... God Brian, I hope you never fall on hard times, it would be terrible if you had to walk a mile in those souless shoes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/743b04f1/attachment.htm From WmSWoodson at aol.com Thu Aug 24 22:27:42 2006 From: WmSWoodson at aol.com (WmSWoodson at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:27:42 EDT Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <3a5.2872eb0.321fe44e@aol.com> Brian & Michelle: What's with the attitudes? The list-serve wasn't intended for a bickering duel....Can't we all just get along? Who cares whether you're a liberal, democrat, or republican or even whether the next door neighbor's car got repossessed? You need to mind your own business. The tow truck driver didn't "wave" the gun at anybody but the "owners" of the car he was repossessing. GET OVER IT! Wm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/6d4286b7/attachment.htm From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:36:22 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:36:22 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <3a5.2872eb0.321fe44e@aol.com> Message-ID: <0c4901c6c808$6643c9d0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Attitudes??! This guy makes his points with ignorant name-calling and Neanderthal comments and does it publicly. Someone needs to take him to task if you really want peace on this listserve. I just have a hard time ignoring his constant inane remarks and attacks on the belief systems of others. VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: WmSWoodson at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Brian & Michelle: What's with the attitudes? The list-serve wasn't intended for a bickering duel....Can't we all just get along? Who cares whether you're a liberal, democrat, or republican or even whether the next door neighbor's car got repossessed? You need to mind your own business. The tow truck driver didn't "wave" the gun at anybody but the "owners" of the car he was repossessing. GET OVER IT! Wm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/07398d25/attachment.htm From WmSWoodson at aol.com Thu Aug 24 22:40:22 2006 From: WmSWoodson at aol.com (WmSWoodson at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:40:22 EDT Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <472.54c6160.321fe746@aol.com> It's not necessarily that I want peace. I'm just tired of having an email box full of rants & raves about something that none of us has any control over. Just in the last couple of hours, I have had more than ten emails just from the two of you and they are pointless. Nothing is getting accomplished by the name-calling or bickering. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/ff7ce633/attachment.htm From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:42:38 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:42:38 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <3a5.2872eb0.321fe44e@aol.com> <0c4901c6c808$6643c9d0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <001c01c6c809$46a11320$ef33b046@Windsor> Michelle - Typical liberal to point out what you view as being someone's flaws (like name calling), then turn around and do the same thing yourself, only much worse. Keep your nasty opinions to yourself bitch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Steinberg To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Attitudes??! This guy makes his points with ignorant name-calling and Neanderthal comments and does it publicly. Someone needs to take him to task if you really want peace on this listserve. I just have a hard time ignoring his constant inane remarks and attacks on the belief systems of others. VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: WmSWoodson at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Brian & Michelle: What's with the attitudes? The list-serve wasn't intended for a bickering duel....Can't we all just get along? Who cares whether you're a liberal, democrat, or republican or even whether the next door neighbor's car got repossessed? You need to mind your own business. The tow truck driver didn't "wave" the gun at anybody but the "owners" of the car he was repossessing. GET OVER IT! Wm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/43469fe9/attachment.htm From bleach9 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:44:22 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:44:22 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <472.54c6160.321fe746@aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c6c809$84735690$ef33b046@Windsor> I would suggest you log off the discussion list then. For the record, I'm not very interested in your opinions or rants either. ----- Original Message ----- From: WmSWoodson at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo It's not necessarily that I want peace. I'm just tired of having an email box full of rants & raves about something that none of us has any control over. Just in the last couple of hours, I have had more than ten emails just from the two of you and they are pointless. Nothing is getting accomplished by the name-calling or bickering. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/113f4f6a/attachment.htm From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 22:46:35 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:46:35 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <472.54c6160.321fe746@aol.com> Message-ID: <0c7901c6c809$d357df10$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> OK Wm. I hear you and you are right. It is just so hard to keep quiet when I see the anger and lack of compassion that this person exhibits. Brian, next time, we'll just keep it between us. deal? VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: WmSWoodson at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo It's not necessarily that I want peace. I'm just tired of having an email box full of rants & raves about something that none of us has any control over. Just in the last couple of hours, I have had more than ten emails just from the two of you and they are pointless. Nothing is getting accomplished by the name-calling or bickering. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060824/20819f4d/attachment.htm From malka16 at cox.net Thu Aug 24 23:05:46 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:05:46 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <3a5.2872eb0.321fe44e@aol.com><0c4901c6c808$6643c9d0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> <001c01c6c809$46a11320$ef33b046@Windsor> Message-ID: <0cae01c6c80c$81c657a0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> OK Brian, you win - we're done VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Leach To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Michelle - Typical liberal to point out what you view as being someone's flaws (like name calling), then turn around and do the same thing yourself, only much worse. Keep your nasty opinions to yourself bitch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Steinberg To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Attitudes??! This guy makes his points with ignorant name-calling and Neanderthal comments and does it publicly. Someone needs to take him to task if you really want peace on this listserve. I just have a hard time ignoring his constant inane remarks and attacks on the belief systems of others. VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: WmSWoodson at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo Brian & Michelle: What's with the attitudes? The list-serve wasn't intended for a bickering duel....Can't we all just get along? Who cares whether you're a liberal, democrat, or republican or even whether the next door neighbor's car got repossessed? You need to mind your own business. The tow truck driver didn't "wave" the gun at anybody but the "owners" of the car he was repossessing. GET OVER IT! Wm -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. 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I'd love to stay in Coronado if possible (I've been here for 4.5 years already) I'm looking for any of the following: * Guest House * Duplex * Studio * Condo * or Shared House. * with a fenced Yard I'm a Non-smoker with 1 friendly dog (lab/boxer female, 55lbs). I'd prefer a 6 month lease or month to month. I've got great credit and excellent references from my (2) current and previous landlords in Coronado. Thanks, Samantha (Sam) _____ Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/cbf29b7a/attachment.htm From josepi at doitnow.com Fri Aug 25 09:09:58 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:09:58 -0700 Subject: Violent early morning repo References: <000101c6c7ea$7b6996f0$6401a8c0@JoClute><000801c6c7f0$f3016070$ef33b046@Windsor> <0b8f01c6c802$81ec3ab0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <016e01c6c860$ea3cb320$6401a8c0@JoClute> Wm, the reference column states the thread, please just delete the email. Its pretty disturbing to hear people like Leach (and many might say the same thing about me) but I want people to know who our neighbors are and if the rants don't happen then my right to hear it have been compromised. however, having the right to delete gives each and everyone of us the right to do as we wish. I know to stay clear of Leach because he sounds trigger happy if you ask me. Regardless, this is life, we can't change its circumstances at times, but we are all 100% in control of our reaction to it. Clute Out ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Steinberg" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > Whoops, I forgot to sign my last note to Brian > Michelle, > Liberal with a capitol L and damn proud of it! > > > > VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. > REGISTER AND VOTE!! > www.servicearizona.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Leach" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo > > >> In the repo man's defense, perhaps he felt threatened, making the gun a >> totally legitimate excuse. Put yourself in his shoes and see if you'd >> think >> it was a barrel of fun to go repo some deadbeat's car in the middle of >> the >> night and be confronted by the deadbeat and several of his friends. >> >> Besides, guns are legal. The right to own and carry one (or two, or >> fifteen) is protected under the Constitution. Thank God the liberals >> haven't been able to change that - yet. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Clute" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:27 PM >> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >> >> >>> there is no excuse for weapons. I am not condoning that in any way. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>> >>> >>>> That's what got me.. when I first heard the shouting I thought the car >>>> was >>>> being stolen. >>>> >>>> Financial issues aside, I think the repo person should be required to >>>> give >>>> the people a chance before assuming the worst and pulling a gun. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----Original Message Follows---- >>>> From: "Jo Clute" >>>> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: Violent early morning repo >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:25:52 -0700 >>>> >>>> A friend of mine used to repo cars and from what I know its usually the >>>> car >>>> owners pulling the guns on the tow truck drivers. So the drivers are >>>> always >>>> skidish to begin with but I had a roommates car being repod on my old >>>> house >>>> on 12th st and the event scared me so bad having someone come into my >>>> property and coming inches from hitting my boat that once I realized >>>> what >>>> was going on I gated him in and called the police. >>>> >>>> I then flipped out on my roommate for putting me in that position. I >>>> thought I was being robbed and I was waking up being terrorized. But >>>> when >>>> people don't make their car payments and aren't in communication with >>>> their >>>> bank, what do they expect is eventually going to happen? fiscal >>>> responsibility,proper financial planning, and flexible spending habits, >>>> are >>>> just so imperative. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Ivana Olson" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:12 AM >>>> Subject: Violent early morning repo >>>> >>>> >>>> > Just recently (about 2:30am) the house had gotten quiet and I heard >>>> > some >>>> > car >>>> > doors slam and the neighbors car alarm was going off. I looked out >>>> > the >>>> > window to make sure it wasn't our new car, since I'm not familiar >>>> > with >>>> > it's >>>> > alarm yet and I didn't see anything here or across the street (which >>>> > is >>>> > where the alarms usually come from). A few minutes later I heard loud >>>> > shouting and lots of cuss words very clearly coming from outside. >>>> > >>>> > A man with a tow truck had backed up to my next door neighbors >>>> > driveway >>>> > and >>>> > hooked their car up to his truck. The neighbors heard their car alarm >>>> > go >>>> > off >>>> > and came outside to see what was going on. The tow truck driver >>>> > ignored >>>> > them >>>> > at first, continuing to hook up the the car to his truck, then when >>>> > they >>>> > couldn't get an explanation out of him they blocked his truck with >>>> > their >>>> > recycle can (I'm assuming to get his attention?) >>>> > >>>> > The tow truck driver then pulled out a gun and started yelling and >>>> cussing >>>> > at them. This was all going on when I got to the window closest to >>>> > their >>>> > drive way and was able to get a closer look. He grabbed the recycle >>>> > can >>>> > and >>>> > threw it back at my neighbors (2 young hispanic couples who have been >>>> very >>>> > quiet and pretty good neighbors to us). One of my neighbors ran >>>> > inside >>>> > to >>>> > call the police and the tow truck driver got in his truck and sped >>>> > off >>>> > with >>>> > their car. >>>> > >>>> > When the police got here I went out to see if everything was okay and >>>> > maybe >>>> > offer what I saw if they needed it but even with 3 policemen no one >>>> > would >>>> > talk to me, even when I told them I saw what happened. I overheard >>>> > one >>>> cop >>>> > telling the neighbors that the towing company called them ahead of >>>> > time >>>> to >>>> > say they would be picking up the car. >>>> > >>>> > None of this explained the violence used or the gun he pulled, though >>>> > and >>>> > I'm wondering if they even believed my neighbors when they were >>>> > reporting >>>> > the incident. Seeing as how they wouldn't even listen to what I saw I >>>> > figure >>>> > they were either ignoring me or they believe the neighbors story and >>>> don't >>>> > care. >>>> > >>>> > Is this common practice when a car is reposessed? Is the towing >>>> > company >>>> > really allowed to come at 2:30 in the morning and pull a gun on the >>>> > owners?? >>>> > >>>> > This really concerns me. These neighbors have never shown any loud or >>>> > violent behavior and even with what I saw tonight they weren't more >>>> > than >>>> > passive agressive, understandable as they obviously didn't know why >>>> > someone >>>> > was taking their car out of their driveway. >>>> > >>>> > I don't know about their finances or if they were warned ahead of >>>> > time >>>> > about >>>> > the repo but I know they were taken by suprise and that this incident >>>> > really >>>> > scared them, as it did me. >>>> > >>>> > -Ivana >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > --Note-- >>>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>>> > post >>>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> > >>>> > --Disclaimer-- >>>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>>> > e-mail >>>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>>> > Association. >>>> > >>>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Note-- >>>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>>> >>>> --Disclaimer-- >>>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>>> >>>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From jeffgary1 at cox.net Fri Aug 25 13:22:28 2006 From: jeffgary1 at cox.net (Jeff Gary) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:22:28 -0700 Subject: Post Repositioning? Message-ID: <00a801c6c884$3027a2a0$6432060a@JeffG> Anybody know of a good licensed contractor who does post repositioning? I have a friend who has a 30's home in willo and her wood floors are very uneven. I do know this just takes something called post repositioning but I don't know who can do that. Thanks! Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. I hope this helps. Thanks much, Tyler _____ From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: GCNA discussion Subject: Discussion List Ideas To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. Thanks very much, Your GCNA Board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/6484829d/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00009.txt Url: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/6484829d/attachment.txt From chris.patterson at usa.com Fri Aug 25 13:34:00 2006 From: chris.patterson at usa.com (Chris Patterson) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:34:00 -0500 Subject: Discussion List Message-ID: <20060825203400.3216C4781F8@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Way to go Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "GCNA President" To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Discussion List Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:24:29 -0700 Howdy all: First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. Before I hear any howls about ?freedom of speech? from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full ?moderation? for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. I hope this helps. Thanks much, Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: GCNA discussion Subject: Discussion List Ideas To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. We?re grateful to the current and former members of GCNA ? especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster ? whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. Thanks very much, Your GCNA Board _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/51bf41d9/attachment.htm From wayne at xnar.com Fri Aug 25 14:54:35 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:54:35 -0700 Subject: Discussion List In-Reply-To: <002101c6c884$780660c0$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <20060825215442.STHM6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> For those of us who don't watch TV. I enjoy the exchange, a little Jerry Springer in with the Notices of traffic closures is nice. The delete button works great. Brian has a different point of view, this is good, not bad. All of the repo people should get together and create a fund to bail out those who don't make the payments. The right to carry a gun is also to have it exposed. Unless permited otherwise. We don't know the circumstances. Sounds like the repo guy by the end of the discussion was being accused of attempted murder, (the only reason to carry a gun). Hey I have been accused of uncivilized behavior and I am unpleasant... Being offended seems to be a place of comfort for a lot of people these days. Right behind "outrage" Emotions....boy do I miss the TV... W I googled the GCNA Discussion list and this is the image I got back. _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Discussion List Howdy all: First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. I hope this helps. Thanks much, Tyler _____ From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: GCNA discussion Subject: Discussion List Ideas To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 20787 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/70dba49d/attachment.jpg From swilcoxaz at cox.net Fri Aug 25 15:10:52 2006 From: swilcoxaz at cox.net (Scott) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:10:52 -0700 Subject: Discussion List References: <20060825215442.STHM6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <022e01c6c893$54804d00$0400a8c0@AVERATEC> A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. -Sigmund Freud General Introduction to Psychoanalysis ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Murray To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Discussion List For those of us who don't watch TV. I enjoy the exchange, a little Jerry Springer in with the Notices of traffic closures is nice. The delete button works great. Brian has a different point of view, this is good, not bad. All of the repo people should get together and create a fund to bail out those who don't make the payments. The right to carry a gun is also to have it exposed. Unless permited otherwise. We don't know the circumstances. Sounds like the repo guy by the end of the discussion was being accused of attempted murder, (the only reason to carry a gun). Hey I have been accused of uncivilized behavior and I am unpleasant... Being offended seems to be a place of comfort for a lot of people these days. Right behind "outrage" Emotions....boy do I miss the TV... W I googled the GCNA Discussion list and this is the image I got back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Discussion List Howdy all: First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. I hope this helps. Thanks much, Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: GCNA discussion Subject: Discussion List Ideas To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 20787 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/e48308de/attachment.jpg From josepi at doitnow.com Fri Aug 25 15:15:00 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:15:00 -0700 Subject: Discussion List References: <002101c6c884$780660c0$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <027301c6c894$754307c0$6401a8c0@JoClute> Tyler, I think what you are doing is reckless and self serving and unbecoming of your position. And If I stay angry enough at this, I will hire an attorney, or better yet have 15 neighbors show up and have you voted to be removed from the Board--of course--They will have paid the $5 for at least 30 days- I read the by laws Ooops, now I'm gone too..because I don't like the GCNA president The guy was simply telling us he has lots and lots of guns...I don't like his views but your views are worse. Who do you think you are? So, some neighbors are upset, I wasn't. and just because I didn't email you doesn't mean there aren't others out there like me. I think your emails should be censured!!! I hope to Gawd, other people see the petty barnyard politics in this besides me Clute. ----- Original Message ----- From: GCNA President To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Discussion List Howdy all: First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. I hope this helps. Thanks much, Tyler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: GCNA discussion Subject: Discussion List Ideas To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. Thanks very much, Your GCNA Board ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/85ff7f3f/attachment.htm From josepi at doitnow.com Fri Aug 25 15:19:03 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:19:03 -0700 Subject: Discussion list Message-ID: <027a01c6c894$868c1440$6401a8c0@JoClute> P.s. How many more people do you want to subscribe to this list so you don't feel bad about the people that have left. Give me a number and I will get you the subscribers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/ac23cbc0/attachment.htm From josepi at doitnow.com Fri Aug 25 15:42:30 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:42:30 -0700 Subject: Discussion list Message-ID: <02df01c6c898$54cdde80$6401a8c0@JoClute> BY THE WAY!!!!!!!!......... The Dr. Phil show is possibly doing a show IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD (not about me). And this list serve was the reason that DR. PHIL even has the story to begin with so I suggest you QUIT SCREWIN WITH IT and save your self for more important issues. or GO START your very own list serve with those that are sick of this one can join your new one and then utopia will be upon us If anyone wants info to this show you can email me privately clute -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/11a4784e/attachment.htm From AlanTBird at aol.com Fri Aug 25 17:14:51 2006 From: AlanTBird at aol.com (AlanTBird at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:14:51 EDT Subject: Violent early morning repo Message-ID: <492.7f14730.3220ec7b@aol.com> soory.....was deleting it and sent it instead!! DARN THAT RED X SO CLOSE TO THE SEND LOL! Any way......still loving and livin in MESA AlanT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/298456fe/attachment.htm From ktoneal at cox.net Fri Aug 25 17:19:28 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:19:28 -0700 Subject: Discussion List Message-ID: <4123023.1156551568772.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Has anyone read the disclaimer that appears at the bottom of each and every e-mail that is posted on this list? Does GCNA pay for this thing or not? And if so, what kind of costs are there? And why bother with the disclaimer if someone is just going to screen the e-mails anyway? ---- GCNA President wrote: > Howdy all: > > First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent > unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I > received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once > again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list > serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. > > > > As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it > has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a > civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this > list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly > exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right > to use this exchange for anything else. > > > > Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let > me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind > that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for > rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out > the bucks to set up one for themselves. > > > > For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" > for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be > screened before being released to the list, as time permits. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Thanks much, > > Tyler > > > > _____ > > From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM > To: GCNA discussion > Subject: Discussion List Ideas > > > > To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: > > > > As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood > Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to > all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. > > > > Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed > to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and > ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. > > > > In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships > among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address > some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we > all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have > turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have > insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There > are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. > > > > In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." > The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete > unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their > subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants > have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so > appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA > as a whole. > > > > We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, > our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in > this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado > neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for > communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve > it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. > > > > To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you > participate in the list serve: > > -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, > you're talking to friends and neighbors; > > -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately > rather than sending to the entire list; > > -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business > transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know > about your activities and your business events and announcements by using > this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; > > -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an > e-mail exchange; > > -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" > someone else's computer; > > -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a > sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing > backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other > in our conversations. > > > > The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be > conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose > for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring > system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Your GCNA Board > > > > > From mjfritz at cox.net Fri Aug 25 18:50:59 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:50:59 -0700 Subject: GCNA Showdown Message-ID: <00f901c6c8b2$13ff4c30$6f33b046@Matthew> Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/ac7853ed/attachment.htm From ktoneal at cox.net Fri Aug 25 19:29:53 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:29:53 -0700 Subject: GCNA Showdown Message-ID: <6883614.1156559394009.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Censorship is an extremely dangerous tool. Many great American classics have been thought to be offensive and therefore wrongly censored. Huckleberry Finn for instance. I'm not saying that what Brian and Michelle were writing was in anyway classical, however, their voices have been muted for what has not yet been proven to me to be appropriate. As for Jo, what exactly did she say that the list serve, other than Tyler, should find offensive? This shows to be a clear injustice. Kt ---- mjfritz wrote: > Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. > I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! > > With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. > This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. > > I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. > Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. > I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. > > Peace Ya'll!! > > Michelle Steinberg wrote: > > "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. > > And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. > > I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." > > **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ From ktoneal at cox.net Fri Aug 25 19:35:45 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:35:45 -0700 Subject: Disclaimer Message-ID: <6194905.1156559745590.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> > The following is a paragraph written by Tyler on June 11,2006 after being voted in as president. He contradicts himself in saying that GCNA is provided this list serve free of charge and then goes on to say that GCNA funds make this happen. What kind of funds is he talking about? The disclaimer clearly states NO FINANCIAL TIES. Anyone? > "We?re grateful to the current and former members of GCNA ? especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster ? whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible." > > > > > --Disclaimer-- > > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an *******outside source********, with no financial tie, or**********editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. ************* > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jo Clute" > > To: "Alyssa" ; "Dawn" ; > > "Dwayne > > Darling" ; "Edward Schlee" ; "imp > > _" ; "Ivana Olson" ; > > ; "jill petterson" ; > > ; "Maggie Keane" ; > > ; "mjfritz" ; "sam savage" > > ; "Stacey Vise" ; > > ; "Jennifer Downing" ; "Wayne > > Murray" ; "Michelle Steinberg" ; > > ; ; ; > > ; ; ; > > > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:16 PM > > > > > > > Tyler just removed me from the list serve, along with Michelle, Brian, > > > and > > > a few others. I have copied as many email addresses as I could find > > > attached to the list serve's old emails. If there are any of you > > > (regardless of your opinions on what we say on this list serve) which > > > find > > > this an outrageous abuse of his position, (regardless of your opinion of > > > me or the others) I encourage you to let him know. > > > > > > I tried to email a copy of an email from Michelle and I was unable to. > > > Tyler just hit his own private little bee hive, I hope he is aware of > > > that. > > > > > > Jo Clute > > > 602-550-4157 > > > > > > > > > . > > > > From Vita4832 at wmconnect.com Fri Aug 25 19:54:53 2006 From: Vita4832 at wmconnect.com (Vita4832 at wmconnect.com) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:54:53 EDT Subject: Sound and fury Message-ID: Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. [Macbeth] [When all else fails, a little Shakespeare may help.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/05fe9d76/attachment.htm From jankyouverymuch at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 20:13:51 2006 From: jankyouverymuch at yahoo.com (D A M O N) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My own disclaimer...with apologies to a few.... In-Reply-To: <6194905.1156559745590.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <20060826031351.29725.qmail@web50002.mail.yahoo.com> This is a mess. I guess it's time to stick my foot in the crap, too. You people act like this is your only thing to do each day. Keep tabs on the others language, make sure that the GCNA is living up to your imaginations, argue the finer points of grammar and the latest gossip. I moved here because my friend (who is on this listserve, but I'm sure would want to remain nameless) went on and on about how wonderful it was to find a real ol' fashioned neighborhood, where people knew each other, were friendly to each other, and cared about the place where they lived. It seems its the other way around. To read 90% of this is to subscribe to some of the most self absorbed, unfriendly blather online. I can't believe you people choose to berate each other like this! This listserve is informational, to be sure, but it is also seems to be a convenient coffee clatch for the few who are interested in barking epithets about political preference and complaining about their fellow neighbors financial foibles. (Did no one feel it shameful to be broadcasting to the entire neighborhood that your neighbor had likely fallen on hard times and was having stuff repo'd? I'm sure all of you would be reaching for your lawyers phone number if I tattled your embarrassing news to the entire Association.) I'm very grateful for the few of you who I've met and who have taken the time to say Hi when I'm walking my dog, or invite me over for cocktails at the holidays. And that's a very small number of you. The rest of you have completely turned me off to wanting to participate in anything related to the neighborhood, for fear of either turning into you or becoming the target of your obviously unfettered wrath. I'm sure this will land me in the latter with most, and to the few I mentioned above - I hope this doesn't shake our standing with each other. I look forward to many a 'roundaout gathering and Christmas party with all of you. Damon --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/0d7b782f/attachment.htm From wayne at xnar.com Fri Aug 25 21:00:49 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:00:49 -0700 Subject: GCNA Showdown In-Reply-To: <00f901c6c8b2$13ff4c30$6f33b046@Matthew> Message-ID: <20060826040057.FFUX21457.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> It would appear that both Brian and Michelle who if anyone has been following the list serve would have absolutely nothing in common. Are presently linked together for a common reason. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/5c14a002/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 40633 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/5c14a002/attachment.jpg From beehivebebe at cox.net Fri Aug 25 23:14:09 2006 From: beehivebebe at cox.net (Heidi Progress Lighting) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:14:09 -0700 Subject: Discussion List SPAM References: <20060825203400.3216C4781F8@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <005c01c6c8d6$da47e860$6401a8c0@BeehiveBordello> We all get SPAM in our in boxes and we choose to read or not to read... and delete. Nothing on this listserve offends me as I do have an open mind and realize people are entitled to their own opinions whether I agree or not. I choose to read emails/opinions from people on here... or not. Actually, the exchanges the last couple of days have made me laugh. In no way would I cancel my subscription to this listserve, simply choosing not to read emails from people that might get on my nerves is really an easy thing to do. Getting as upset as a few people have done the last few days requires too much energy, it's the freaking internet for craps sake! Just my .02 Heidi on Edgemont ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Patterson To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Discussion List Way to go Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "GCNA President" To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Discussion List Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:24:29 -0700 Howdy all: First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. I hope this helps. Thanks much, Tyler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: GCNA discussion Subject: Discussion List Ideas To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. Thanks very much, Your GCNA Board _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/9db5a47f/attachment.htm From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Sat Aug 26 01:23:58 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:23:58 -0700 Subject: GCNA Showdown In-Reply-To: <6883614.1156559394009.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: I'm fairly certain I would have been banned as well had I not left my computer this morning. Perhaps it was to my benefit that my friend (who just moved into our neighborhood btw) has yet to hook up her internet access? I agree that this censorship and banning of members is an overall abuse of power and needs to be dealt with. Even if this mailing list is funded by the GCNA.. we are all members of the GCNA and therefore doesn't it belong to us? I haven't seen it writen anywhere that this forum belongs to one person and that person is allowed to do whatever with it. I don't completely agree with some of the opinions of others on this group, but I would never condone them being kicked off the list for sharing their opinions or being themselves. One person can be an ass, another can point out that they are being an ass and the rest of us can roll our eyes and ignore it. That's America, that's freedom, that's what we're all about. -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: GCNA Showdown Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:29:53 -0700 Censorship is an extremely dangerous tool. Many great American classics have been thought to be offensive and therefore wrongly censored. Huckleberry Finn for instance. I'm not saying that what Brian and Michelle were writing was in anyway classical, however, their voices have been muted for what has not yet been proven to me to be appropriate. As for Jo, what exactly did she say that the list serve, other than Tyler, should find offensive? This shows to be a clear injustice. Kt ---- mjfritz wrote: > Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. > I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! > > With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. > This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. > > I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. > Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. > I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. > > Peace Ya'll!! > > Michelle Steinberg wrote: > > "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. > > And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. > > I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." > > **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From malka16 at cox.net Fri Aug 25 16:33:47 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:33:47 -0700 Subject: Discussion List Message-ID: <3327936.1156548827875.JavaMail.root@fed1wml13.mgt.cox.net> I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech. ---- Jo Clute wrote: > Tyler, I think what you are doing is reckless and self serving and unbecoming of your position. And If I stay angry enough at this, I will hire an attorney, or better yet have 15 neighbors show up and have you voted to be removed from the Board--of course--They will have paid the $5 for at least 30 days- I read the by laws > > Ooops, now I'm gone too..because I don't like the GCNA president > > The guy was simply telling us he has lots and lots of guns...I don't like his views but your views are worse. Who do you think you are? So, some neighbors are upset, I wasn't. and just because I didn't email you doesn't mean there aren't others out there like me. I think your emails should be censured!!! > > I hope to Gawd, other people see the petty barnyard politics in this besides me > > Clute. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GCNA President > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM > Subject: Discussion List > > > Howdy all: > > First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. > > > > As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. > > > > Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. > > > > For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Thanks much, > > Tyler > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM > To: GCNA discussion > Subject: Discussion List Ideas > > > > To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: > > > > As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. > > > > Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. > > > > In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. > > > > In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. > > > > We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. > > > > To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: > > -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; > > -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; > > -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; > > -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; > > -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; > > -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. > > > > The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Your GCNA Board > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From malka16 at cox.net Fri Aug 25 16:36:54 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:36:54 -0700 Subject: Discussion List Message-ID: <27115795.1156549014626.JavaMail.root@fed1wml13.mgt.cox.net> Oh yeah, cause Freud had it going on. ---- Scott wrote: > A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. > -Sigmund Freud General Introduction to Psychoanalysis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wayne Murray > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:54 PM > Subject: RE: Discussion List > > > For those of us who don't watch TV. I enjoy the exchange, a little Jerry Springer in with the Notices of traffic closures is nice. The delete button works great. > > > > Brian has a different point of view, this is good, not bad. All of the repo people should get together and create a fund to bail out those who don't make the payments. The right to carry a gun is also to have it exposed. Unless permited otherwise. We don't know the circumstances. Sounds like the repo guy by the end of the discussion was being accused of attempted murder, (the only reason to carry a gun). > > > > Hey I have been accused of uncivilized behavior and I am unpleasant... > > > > Being offended seems to be a place of comfort for a lot of people these days. Right behind "outrage" > > > > Emotions....boy do I miss the TV... > > > > W > > > > I googled the GCNA Discussion list and this is the image I got back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: Discussion List > > > > Howdy all: > > First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. > > > > As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. > > > > Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. > > > > For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Thanks much, > > Tyler > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM > To: GCNA discussion > Subject: Discussion List Ideas > > > > To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: > > > > As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. > > > > Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. > > > > In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. > > > > In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. > > > > We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. > > > > To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: > > -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; > > -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; > > -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; > > -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; > > -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; > > -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. > > > > The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Your GCNA Board > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From josepi at doitnow.com Fri Aug 25 17:46:45 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:46:45 -0700 Subject: Discussion List Message-ID: <03b401c6c8a9$37e43a10$6401a8c0@JoClute> The following is Michelle's email which was just censored. I am sending it on her behalf and I would be happy to send an email on behalf of Brian as well:...... Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/54f2a0e3/attachment.htm From bleach9 at cox.net Fri Aug 25 18:24:27 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:24:27 -0700 Subject: Discussion List References: <002101c6c884$780660c0$0a00a8c0@TVS> <027301c6c894$754307c0$6401a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <00bc01c6c8ae$5f5c7f80$ef33b046@Windsor> I'm actually curious as to where the funding comes from to operate this discussion list. If it comes from the $5.00 a year membership fee, then I've paid my share, and therefore, should be able to discuss what I want with who I want, without someone "screening" my emails for content as they see fit. As for people getting upset over an exchange between several individuals on this list, I say tough. I've certainly scrolled through and deleted hundreds of posts that I consider to be a waste of my time. I certainly wouldn't waste more of it by posting rude remarks telling people to shut up about certain subjects I find boring, lame or uninteresting. And people think President Bush is a dictator! And just for the record, I only own two guns - not "lots and lots of guns". I also believe my neighbors (which happen to include the GCNA President) can attest to the fact that I am far from trigger-happy. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Discussion List Tyler, I think what you are doing is reckless and self serving and unbecoming of your position. And If I stay angry enough at this, I will hire an attorney, or better yet have 15 neighbors show up and have you voted to be removed from the Board--of course--They will have paid the $5 for at least 30 days- I read the by laws Ooops, now I'm gone too..because I don't like the GCNA president The guy was simply telling us he has lots and lots of guns...I don't like his views but your views are worse. Who do you think you are? So, some neighbors are upset, I wasn't. and just because I didn't email you doesn't mean there aren't others out there like me. I think your emails should be censured!!! I hope to Gawd, other people see the petty barnyard politics in this besides me Clute. ----- Original Message ----- From: GCNA President To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Discussion List Howdy all: First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people. As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits. I hope this helps. Thanks much, Tyler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: GCNA discussion Subject: Discussion List Ideas To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list. Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us. In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other. In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole. We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible. To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve: -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list; -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails; -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange; -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer; -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect each other in our conversations. The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. Thanks very much, Your GCNA Board ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060825/7c7e8e86/attachment.htm From bleach9 at cox.net Fri Aug 25 20:52:47 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:52:47 -0700 Subject: Disclaimer References: <6194905.1156559745590.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <018401c6c8c3$1897fe70$ef33b046@Windsor> I'd respond, but I've been dismissed from the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "gcna" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Disclaimer > >> The following is a paragraph written by Tyler on June 11,2006 after being >> voted in as president. He contradicts himself in saying that GCNA is >> provided this list serve free of charge and then goes on to say that GCNA >> funds make this happen. What kind of funds is he talking about? The >> disclaimer clearly states NO FINANCIAL TIES. Anyone? >> > "We?re grateful to the current and former members of GCNA ? especially > Kevin, our volunteer webmaster ? whose dedication and volunteer efforts > resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater > Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific > tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like > to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as > possible." >> >> >> >> > --Disclaimer-- >> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> > list is maintained by an *******outside source********, with no >> > financial tie, or**********editorial directive from the Greater >> > Coronado Neighborhood Association. ************* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jo Clute" >> > To: "Alyssa" ; "Dawn" ; >> > "Dwayne >> > Darling" ; "Edward Schlee" ; >> > "imp >> > _" ; "Ivana Olson" ; >> > ; "jill petterson" ; >> > ; "Maggie Keane" ; >> > ; "mjfritz" ; "sam >> > savage" >> > ; "Stacey Vise" ; >> > ; "Jennifer Downing" ; "Wayne >> > Murray" ; "Michelle Steinberg" ; >> > ; ; ; >> > ; ; ; >> > >> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:16 PM >> > >> > >> > > Tyler just removed me from the list serve, along with Michelle, >> > > Brian, >> > > and >> > > a few others. I have copied as many email addresses as I could find >> > > attached to the list serve's old emails. If there are any of you >> > > (regardless of your opinions on what we say on this list serve) which >> > > find >> > > this an outrageous abuse of his position, (regardless of your opinion >> > > of >> > > me or the others) I encourage you to let him know. >> > > >> > > I tried to email a copy of an email from Michelle and I was unable >> > > to. >> > > Tyler just hit his own private little bee hive, I hope he is aware of >> > > that. >> > > >> > > Jo Clute >> > > 602-550-4157 >> > > >> > > >> > > . >> > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From president at gcna.info Sat Aug 26 01:55:41 2006 From: president at gcna.info (GCNA President) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:55:41 -0700 Subject: list serve Message-ID: <00d001c6c8ed$68b1e090$0a00a8c0@TVS> OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess I'm out of line. Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be bothered to become members. I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute nothing but spite and malice. The highlights of my term so far: * Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. * So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. * And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred that you're so eager to defend right here. As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all do. I suggest you run for the office. You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM To: Central City Subject: GCNA Showdown Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/4305fa05/attachment.htm From mjfritz at cox.net Sat Aug 26 07:17:38 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:17:38 -0700 Subject: list serve References: <00d001c6c8ed$68b1e090$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <030d01c6c91a$63429b40$6f33b046@Matthew> Hey now..I have never said this email is a "nifty tool for sharing venom". I am raising a two year old child, with another on the way, in a neighborhood where scary people knock on my door begging for money, where I sweep broken glass off my curb at least once a week, where speeding cars rocket past my front door on a regular basis, where fence graffiti is normal artistic expression all over the neighborhood, where autos are aggressively vandalized in the middle of the night, etc. etc. My point is, and always has been, there are much larger issues for us to deal with in our community other than the latest hot topic on this email. Have some frickin' drama! ----- Original Message ----- From: GCNA President To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:55 AM Subject: list serve OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess I'm out of line. Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be bothered to become members. I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute nothing but spite and malice. The highlights of my term so far: n Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. n So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. n And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred that you're so eager to defend right here. As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all do. I suggest you run for the office. You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM To: Central City Subject: GCNA Showdown Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/7ab8b3d1/attachment.htm From ktoneal at cox.net Sat Aug 26 08:02:45 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 8:02:45 -0700 Subject: list serve Message-ID: <11851305.1156604565460.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Tyler, Let me be the first to accept your resignation. Don Mertes would make an excellent President. With no offense to anyone else in Coronado, I believe that Don Mertes is THE nicest, kindest, most neighborly person I have had the pleasure to correspond with so far in the Greater Coronado Neighborhood, or any neighborhood for that matter. I take exception to one comment you so boldly printed about me. I have NEVER, EVER been remotely unkind or venemous to anyone on this list except for one comment I made about you. I joked several months ago about you being a dictator. I immediately apologized. I suppose I may have been quicker than most to realize the power trip you were on. As for our troops, please feel free to write whatever you feel you must to them, after all that IS what they are dying for. The violence in Iraq is largely due to the muting of the people's voices. (SOAPBOX) Here in this peaceful nation of ours we are allowed the opportunity to argue, be rude, spread vicious e-mails if we so choose and we are all the better for it. (STEP DOWN FROM SOAPBOX). I hope someday you will realize that. Kt ---- GCNA President wrote: > OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that > this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly > e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about > name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and > screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their > ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess > I'm out of line. > > > > Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of > their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming > to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be > bothered to become members. > > > > I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I > volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this > neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this > a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. > Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute > nothing but spite and malice. > > > > The highlights of my term so far: > > * Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to > let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about > it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the > records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) > status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through > her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. > > * So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining > than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have > watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of > Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen > such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the > job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about > this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: > she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might > also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: > no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. > > * And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly > communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and > Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going > to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious > e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes > asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have > the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just > reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never > occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would > stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors > with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be > getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start > with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred > that you're so eager to defend right here. > > > > As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you > could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around > me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all > do. I suggest you run for the office. > > > > You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take > over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. > > > > Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, > simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been > removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. > > > > > > From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM > To: Central City > Subject: GCNA Showdown > > > > Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught > up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. > > I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! > > > > With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are > so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. > > This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never > accomplish anything. > > > > I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut > off from the listserve. > > Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share > Michelle's final thoughts with the group. > > I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought > out. > > > > Peace Ya'll!! > > > > Michelle Steinberg wrote: > > > > "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make > the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and > governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide > whose posting you do not like and then censor them. > > And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do > you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the > organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, > you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge > and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on > their listserve. > > I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and > for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to > "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what > we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, > uncivilized ranting is still free speech." > > > > **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, > I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST > SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ > > > > > > > From ktoneal at cox.net Sat Aug 26 08:20:30 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 8:20:30 -0700 Subject: list serve Message-ID: <7240485.1156605630083.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> P.S. If you answered my question about who pays for this list serve, I must have missed it. I would really appreciate an answer. If you don't know then you must know who would. ---- ktoneal at cox.net wrote: > Tyler, > > Let me be the first to accept your resignation. Don Mertes would make an excellent President. With no offense to anyone else in Coronado, I believe that Don Mertes is THE nicest, kindest, most neighborly person I have had the pleasure to correspond with so far in the Greater Coronado Neighborhood, or any neighborhood for that matter. > > I take exception to one comment you so boldly printed about me. I have NEVER, EVER been remotely unkind or venemous to anyone on this list except for one comment I made about you. I joked several months ago about you being a dictator. I immediately apologized. I suppose I may have been quicker than most to realize the power trip you were on. As for our troops, please feel free to write whatever you feel you must to them, after all that IS what they are dying for. The violence in Iraq is largely due to the muting of the people's voices. (SOAPBOX) Here in this peaceful nation of ours we are allowed the opportunity to argue, be rude, spread vicious e-mails if we so choose and we are all the better for it. (STEP DOWN FROM SOAPBOX). I hope someday you will realize that. > > Kt > > > > > ---- GCNA President wrote: > > OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that > > this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly > > e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about > > name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and > > screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their > > ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess > > I'm out of line. > > > > > > > > Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of > > their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming > > to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be > > bothered to become members. > > > > > > > > I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I > > volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this > > neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this > > a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. > > Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute > > nothing but spite and malice. > > > > > > > > The highlights of my term so far: > > > > * Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to > > let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about > > it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the > > records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) > > status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through > > her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. > > > > * So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining > > than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have > > watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of > > Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen > > such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the > > job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about > > this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: > > she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might > > also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: > > no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. > > > > * And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly > > communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and > > Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going > > to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious > > e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes > > asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have > > the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just > > reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never > > occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would > > stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors > > with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be > > getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start > > with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred > > that you're so eager to defend right here. > > > > > > > > As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you > > could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around > > me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all > > do. I suggest you run for the office. > > > > > > > > You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take > > over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. > > > > > > > > Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, > > simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been > > removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM > > To: Central City > > Subject: GCNA Showdown > > > > > > > > Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught > > up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. > > > > I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! > > > > > > > > With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are > > so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. > > > > This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never > > accomplish anything. > > > > > > > > I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut > > off from the listserve. > > > > Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share > > Michelle's final thoughts with the group. > > > > I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought > > out. > > > > > > > > Peace Ya'll!! > > > > > > > > Michelle Steinberg wrote: > > > > > > > > "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make > > the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and > > governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide > > whose posting you do not like and then censor them. > > > > And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do > > you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the > > organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, > > you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge > > and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on > > their listserve. > > > > I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and > > for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to > > "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what > > we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, > > uncivilized ranting is still free speech." > > > > > > > > **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, > > I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST > > SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From wayne at xnar.com Sat Aug 26 08:30:07 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:30:07 -0700 Subject: list serve In-Reply-To: <00d001c6c8ed$68b1e090$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <20060826153014.XTZZ27846.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Tyler, I was trying to stay clear of this, but you brought it up. Had you the decency to come to the meeting at Andrea's house you would have discovered why I resigned. I felt it unfair and uncomfortable that you stetted into the co-chair position while I still was in that position. Having no knowledge of the two year process or of what the Virginia plan is about or what is necessary to make it a success. I have no problem saying that it was I in that position who earned the right to continue, not you to just walk into it. And then not to attend a meeting where I presented my knowledge and contacts to others so that the valuable information can be used for the neighborhood. It is not about personality, it is about accomplishing the mission goal of Coronado. Below is an e-mail from the director of NSD where he straightens out the "racial set up" that you apparently are still using. He realizes the danger in this and I should hope that you do also: From: jerome.miller at phoenix.gov [mailto:jerome.miller at phoenix.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:40 AM To: Wayne Murray Subject: Re: Wayne Murray Coronado Traffic Wayne, I appreciate your follow-up yesterday. As indicated it was nice to hear your perspective and concerns. I'm sorry about your decision but as I indicated to you, I still look forward to speaking with you in the future on neighborhood issues unrelated to the Fight back. I see your passion and candid conversation as refreshing and as a learning tool for me and my staff. Continued success in all you do and thanks for your support of the City of Phoenix and its programs. Jerome E. Miller Acting Director Neighborhood Services Department Contrary to you comments about me and the City, you are wrong. I am meeting with Mr. Miller in a week to talk about Fight back, and he picked up the phone 2 times this week to continue our "candid" conversation. Doug Lingner is coming to a Meet and Greet at my partner's home in Mid September, and he and his staff assisted us in an alley abandonment crime reduction last year in Encanto PalmCroft. I am working with The McDowell Now Coalition to accomplish improvements along McDowell road, and have no problem with those dozen or so individuals from the city and neighboring Historic neighborhoods. Ross Blakely worked with me just last week on some issued that needed to be resolved on the Alley abandonment process. We had several productive conversations over a course of a few days and even with the press swirling about the demonstration project were able to resolve the issues with mutual satisfaction. I command a good respect and connection with the press and in my efforts to get the message out to the historic neighborhoods and the phoenix public. You would have showed at the meeting the other night to see exactly whose back you are standing on when it comes to the traffic issues. I resigned the position as Co-chair because it was removed from me, as the names were removed from the discussion list. I had no choice. As I mentioned to Jerome it does not mean that I have disengaged from traffic or Coronado, it only means I have disengaged my expectations of respect. And prefer to operate without the interference of the current decision makers. I just grew tired of defending my character when I felt it was a waste of time. For those of you in the hood, I assure you that I have no problem with respectifully dealing with City officials, There are however invididuals who twist and turn things to fit a certain drama. I just don't play into it, and as you can see call them on it. Yes it is uncomfortable. The Coronado Traffic Committtee is attempting to change broad city policy that has been inplace for 25 years, it requires fight and knowledge. W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:56 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: list serve OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess I'm out of line. Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be bothered to become members. I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute nothing but spite and malice. The highlights of my term so far: * Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. * So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. * And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred that you're so eager to defend right here. As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all do. I suggest you run for the office. You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM To: Central City Subject: GCNA Showdown Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/7e238bc0/attachment.htm From malka16 at cox.net Sat Aug 26 09:18:09 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:18:09 -0700 Subject: Discussion List References: <3327936.1156548827875.JavaMail.root@fed1wml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <0d9c01c6c92b$3886e8a0$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> does this mean I am back in Tyler's good graces? VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Steinberg" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Discussion List >I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make >the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and >governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide >whose posting you do not like and then censor them. > > And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor > do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of > the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's > Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as > judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to > read on their listserve. > > I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision > and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort > to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding > what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, > uncivilized ranting is still free speech. > > > > > ---- Jo Clute wrote: >> Tyler, I think what you are doing is reckless and self serving and >> unbecoming of your position. And If I stay angry enough at this, I will >> hire an attorney, or better yet have 15 neighbors show up and have you >> voted to be removed from the Board--of course--They will have paid the >> $5 for at least 30 days- I read the by laws >> >> Ooops, now I'm gone too..because I don't like the GCNA president >> >> The guy was simply telling us he has lots and lots of guns...I don't like >> his views but your views are worse. Who do you think you are? So, some >> neighbors are upset, I wasn't. and just because I didn't email you >> doesn't mean there aren't others out there like me. I think your emails >> should be censured!!! >> >> I hope to Gawd, other people see the petty barnyard politics in this >> besides me >> >> Clute. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: GCNA President >> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM >> Subject: Discussion List >> >> >> Howdy all: >> >> First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent >> unpleasant exchanges on the list serve. I know from the private e-mails >> I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that >> once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the >> list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant >> people. >> >> >> >> As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied >> below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct >> themselves in a civil manner. While most have, a few people are unable >> to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum >> for the neighborly exchange of information only. Nobody -- absolutely >> nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else. >> >> >> >> Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, >> let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak >> your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it. Anyone who >> wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than >> welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves. >> >> >> >> For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full >> "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their >> e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time >> permits. >> >> >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> >> >> Thanks much, >> >> Tyler >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] >> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM >> To: GCNA discussion >> Subject: Discussion List Ideas >> >> >> >> To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List: >> >> >> >> As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >> Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you >> to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion >> list. >> >> >> >> Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have >> contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange >> information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all >> of us. >> >> >> >> In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better >> relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would >> like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the >> discussion list. As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the >> discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches. There are >> times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used >> inappropriate language. There are times when we've been just plain mean >> to each other. >> >> >> >> In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete >> it." The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete >> unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their >> subscriptions to the list serve altogether. Many long-time participants >> have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are >> so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in >> GCNA as a whole. >> >> >> >> We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially >> Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts >> resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater >> Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific >> tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like >> to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as >> possible. >> >> >> >> To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as >> you participate in the list serve: >> >> -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; >> remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors; >> >> -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them >> privately rather than sending to the entire list; >> >> -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business >> transactions on this list. We encourage you to let your neighbors know >> about your activities and your business events and announcements by using >> this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private >> e-mails; >> >> -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject >> of an e-mail exchange; >> >> -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" >> someone else's computer; >> >> -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster >> a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many >> differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities. Let's all respect >> each other in our conversations. >> >> >> >> The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to >> be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the >> purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a >> monitoring system. We appreciate all your help in making this so. >> >> >> >> Thanks very much, >> >> >> >> Your GCNA Board >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From malka16 at cox.net Sat Aug 26 09:20:48 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:20:48 -0700 Subject: list serve References: <00d001c6c8ed$68b1e090$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <0db701c6c92b$97584900$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> For the record Tyler, I was a member and just inadvertently let my membership lapse. I have rectified that situation, my check is on its way to you. You can rest assured that will never happen again VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: GCNA President To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:55 AM Subject: list serve OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess I'm out of line. Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be bothered to become members. I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute nothing but spite and malice. The highlights of my term so far: n Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. n So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. n And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred that you're so eager to defend right here. As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all do. I suggest you run for the office. You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM To: Central City Subject: GCNA Showdown Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/36b61ca6/attachment.htm From malka16 at cox.net Sat Aug 26 09:32:33 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:32:33 -0700 Subject: list serve References: <00d001c6c8ed$68b1e090$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <0dd801c6c92d$3b8c4e80$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Well Tyler, now that you have gotten all this off your chest, pointed fingers and absolved yourself while justifying your actions, you can step down and breathe a sigh of relief that you were the victim of all of us unruly children that you just could not control. It must be quite a climb down from that ivory tower of yours. You and only you made the mistake here. Why don't you just take responsibility for it - that's what leaders are supposed to do when elected by their peers to represent them. VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: GCNA President To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:55 AM Subject: list serve OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess I'm out of line. Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be bothered to become members. I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute nothing but spite and malice. The highlights of my term so far: n Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. n So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. n And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred that you're so eager to defend right here. As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all do. I suggest you run for the office. You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM To: Central City Subject: GCNA Showdown Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/cdee9dfe/attachment.htm From wayne at xnar.com Sat Aug 26 10:43:14 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:43:14 -0700 Subject: list serve In-Reply-To: <00d001c6c8ed$68b1e090$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <20060826174320.PQQT12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Tyler quotes: "And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure." Perhaps you would like to put those remarks that you heard in quotation marks? Both Jerome, department head of NSD, and the shredded women from the city do not seem to be able to find those remarks. Upon farther investigation those may have been tears of joy, as she was able to get you to publish on the list serve what you just did. I asked you not to take that meeting out on the contextual two years of Traffic mitigation with the city and its players, not knowing what context it was in. I even asked that you meet with me and others to discuss it in an attempt to place you into a contextual framework. No it was not entertaining for any of us. The personal power plays of those involved at the expense of my character and status with the city is the reason for my resignation from the position of that kind of vulnerability. I will await my alleged quote, if not it will at least be "very clear" as to my resignation. I believe the e-mail from Mr. Miller indicates his understanding and disappointment rather than an indication he does not want anything to deal with me. I regret that you brought this up in the discussion list for correction. When put in that position, I agree just my level headed statements of truth appear to shred. No more or less was done at the meeting with the women from the City. W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:56 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: list serve OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess I'm out of line. Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be bothered to become members. I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute nothing but spite and malice. The highlights of my term so far: * Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. * So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. * And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred that you're so eager to defend right here. As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all do. I suggest you run for the office. You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM To: Central City Subject: GCNA Showdown Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 81493 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/8f497b2c/attachment.jpg From josepi at doitnow.com Sat Aug 26 11:11:32 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:11:32 -0700 Subject: Poor Tyler References: <00d001c6c8ed$68b1e090$0a00a8c0@TVS> Message-ID: <006301c6c93b$2721fc70$6401a8c0@JoClute> So let me get this straight, Tyler, YOU are the victim?! How histerical! And you just accussed Christina Henry of lying?!! I know her personally and you are seriously the most amazing idiot to have made an accusation like that. And now you make desperate remarks about Wayne? who creates more positive change in this neighborhood then most of us put together. And ktoneal? who you have a power trip over and now you are using your personal vendetta with her building against her motives to assist our troops? Tyler, I ACCEPT your resignation, I find your rip to be nothing more than a desperate attempt to retain a shred of dignity and it failed. By the way, behind the scenes, we all banned together and predicted you would implode like this. You had no right to do what you did, and you faced the wrath, and now your gone. If you don't like this list, GET OFF and STAY OFF. Why are we all to blame for you (or others) being annoyed? This list has been this way since I heard about it when people were "ripping" on my house with out even knowing who I was. 2-3 years ago? So it was this way before I, Michelle, or Brian even came along. And YOU have been trying to control its contents since BEFORE you were pres. Who here gets to judge? It is what it is. it hasn't changed. and yet somehow if you come in and reprimand the banter that makes you (or others like you) better??? Do you see the hypocricy in that? This situation just brought two die hard opponents to get together for a higher good. It worked. That's politics. It also proved that at the end of the day, any of us can be friends and this list is really not that significant. That's just neighborhood life. And you still did not address one person's questions regarding your actions. You sounded like one of those fundamentalists evangelists who REFUSE to answer a single question and instead just start throwing accusations as a smoke screen. You were Pres of one of the largest neighborhood associations and you were supposssed to rise above all of this. Instead you dove to incredible depths...and drowned. Clute Out ----- Original Message ----- From: GCNA President To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:55 AM Subject: list serve OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess I'm out of line. Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be bothered to become members. I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute nothing but spite and malice. The highlights of my term so far: n Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. n So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. n And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred that you're so eager to defend right here. As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all do. I suggest you run for the office. You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM To: Central City Subject: GCNA Showdown Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never accomplish anything. I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut off from the listserve. Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share Michelle's final thoughts with the group. I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought out. Peace Ya'll!! Michelle Steinberg wrote: "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them. And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve. I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech." **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/b2d9e4ba/attachment.htm From ktoneal at cox.net Sat Aug 26 11:13:32 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:13:32 -0700 Subject: list serve Message-ID: <20877596.1156616012108.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Wayne, I can't speak for others but I personally do not believe that you need to defend your actions. Your passion for this issue speaks for itself. It was evident at the very first GCNA meeting that I attended. You and Maureen presented a video showcasing the "temporary" traffic circle. Your accomplishments have made the streets of Coronado safer for all of us and I am grateful. I was not at the now infamous woman shredding meeting so I am admittingly not qualified to respond to what happened. However, I am wise enough to know that dealing with city employees can be frustrating at best. I can also attest to the fact that not everyone in traffic hates you. This person (and you know of whom I speak) is quite impressed with you. It is unfortunate that you believe your character to be compromised. I believe your passion is a valuable resource for this neighborhood and should be applauded. Kt ---- Wayne Murray wrote: > Tyler quotes: "And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic > hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's > national origin just for good measure." > > > > Perhaps you would like to put those remarks that you heard in quotation > marks? Both Jerome, department head of NSD, and the shredded women from the > city do not seem to be able to find those remarks. > > > > Upon farther investigation those may have been tears of joy, as she was able > to get you to publish on the list serve what you just did. I asked you not > to take that meeting out on the contextual two years of Traffic mitigation > with the city and its players, not knowing what context it was in. I even > asked that you meet with me and others to discuss it in an attempt to place > you into a contextual framework. > > > > No it was not entertaining for any of us. The personal power plays of those > involved at the expense of my character and status with the city is the > reason for my resignation from the position of that kind of vulnerability. > > > > I will await my alleged quote, if not it will at least be "very clear" as to > my resignation. I believe the e-mail from Mr. Miller indicates his > understanding and disappointment rather than an indication he does not want > anything to deal with me. > > > > I regret that you brought this up in the discussion list for correction. > > > > When put in that position, I agree just my level headed statements of truth > appear to shred. No more or less was done at the meeting with the women from > the City. > > > > W > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:56 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: list serve > > > > OK, everybody. If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that > this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly > e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about > name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and > screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their > ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess > I'm out of line. > > > > Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of > their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming > to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be > bothered to become members. > > > > I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do. I > volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this > neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this > a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen. > Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute > nothing but spite and malice. > > > > The highlights of my term so far: > > * Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to > let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS? I asked her about > it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the > records. Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3) > status over two years ago. So, I guess it turns out she was lying through > her teeth. But, hey, she did it with a smile. > > * So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining > than TV? Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have > watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of > Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues. I've never seen > such concentrated verbal abuse in my life. And just to make sure he did the > job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about > this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure. And it worked: > she left there in tears. That, my friend, was real entertainment! Might > also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right: > no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason. > > * And last but not least the list-serve. A tool for neighborly > communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and > Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom. Ktoneal is even going > to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious > e-mails are good. You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes > asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have > the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just > reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors? Or has it never > occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would > stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors > with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be > getting killed over there right now? That sectarian violence didn't start > with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred > that you're so eager to defend right here. > > > > As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you > could get to know your neighbors. I have great neighbors right here around > me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life. Apparently you all > do. I suggest you run for the office. > > > > You win. I quit. I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take > over, at least temporarily. You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info. > > > > Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else, > simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been > removed. Enjoy ripping each other to shreds. > > > > > > From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM > To: Central City > Subject: GCNA Showdown > > > > Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught > up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama. > > I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!! > > > > With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are > so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. > > This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never > accomplish anything. > > > > I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut > off from the listserve. > > Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share > Michelle's final thoughts with the group. > > I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought > out. > > > > Peace Ya'll!! > > > > Michelle Steinberg wrote: > > > > "I have to agree with Jo. I cannot stand by and allow one person to make > the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and > governance. You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide > whose posting you do not like and then censor them. > > And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do > you pay for it. It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the > organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, > you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge > and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on > their listserve. > > I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and > for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to > "protect" people from themselves. We are more than capable of deciding what > we should or should not read. And whether you like it or not, rude, > uncivilized ranting is still free speech." > > > > **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT, > I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST > SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************ > > > > > > > From josepi at doitnow.com Sat Aug 26 11:27:07 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:27:07 -0700 Subject: questions-Don Mertes? Message-ID: <00a901c6c93d$5094b9b0$6401a8c0@JoClute> Would some one on the board please answer all of the logistical questions that were asked. Fundng of the list serve? Counsel to GCNA? The disclaimer? Who was acting as the lsit serve moderator? etc etc. Despite this conflict, we need the answers to these questions -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/1ecfd142/attachment.htm From ktoneal at cox.net Sat Aug 26 11:43:44 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:43:44 -0700 Subject: questions-Don Mertes? Message-ID: <33434730.1156617824809.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Could we add to that the status of the 501(c)(3). I'm no tax expert but as a non-profit organization that collects $5.00 from its members, is GCNA now required to pay taxes on that money without benefit of the exemption. ---- Jo Clute wrote: > Would some one on the board please answer all of the logistical questions that were asked. > > Fundng of the list serve? > Counsel to GCNA? > The disclaimer? > Who was acting as the lsit serve moderator? > > etc etc. > > Despite this conflict, we need the answers to these questions From Brig180 at aol.com Sat Aug 26 12:21:17 2006 From: Brig180 at aol.com (Brig180 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:21:17 EDT Subject: A solution for you Message-ID: Here's a possible solution to this idiotic and tiresome conflict: Step one: Reserve the existing listserv for official Association communication and resident announcements specific to the neighborhood (events, happenings, rental requests/announcements, etc.) with no political or personal discussions; Step two: Create a second listserv specifically for "neighborhood discussions" of any sort. Look, it's FREE and easy! _http://groups.yahoo.com/start_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/start) (No, I'm not going to do it. I'm not interested in moderating a "bitchserv".) Someone interested in "taking over" can put some of that excess energy to productive use and set it up him or herself. Or, of course, certain people could continue to endlessly bitch and whine about/on the existing listserv, hijacking it for their own self-aggrandizement and soapboxing, which we can all agree serves no useful purpose and drives away people (OUR NEIGHBORS!) who would like to receive news and event information about THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. Darrin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By the way, just so everyone is aware, it was just brought to my attention that someone has been removing posts from the permanent record on the GCNA websight ----- Original Message ----- From: Brig180 at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: A solution for you Here's a possible solution to this idiotic and tiresome conflict: Step one: Reserve the existing listserv for official Association communication and resident announcements specific to the neighborhood (events, happenings, rental requests/announcements, etc.) with no political or personal discussions; Step two: Create a second listserv specifically for "neighborhood discussions" of any sort. Look, it's FREE and easy! http://groups.yahoo.com/start (No, I'm not going to do it. I'm not interested in moderating a "bitchserv".) Someone interested in "taking over" can put some of that excess energy to productive use and set it up him or herself. Or, of course, certain people could continue to endlessly bitch and whine about/on the existing listserv, hijacking it for their own self-aggrandizement and soapboxing, which we can all agree serves no useful purpose and drives away people (OUR NEIGHBORS!) who would like to receive news and event information about THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. Darrin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/f9ee7620/attachment.htm From maggie1one at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 13:49:29 2006 From: maggie1one at gmail.com (Maggie Keane) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:49:29 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Was this a mistake on Google's part? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7cf035d60608261349x753783a8k394db5e211058e55@mail.gmail.com> So this is pretty good for a laugh >1- Go to www.Google.com > >2- Type in Failure > >3- Look at it the first listing and laugh at what comes up first > >4- Tell other people before the people at Google Fix it ------------------------------ *Check out AOL.com today*. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/425826d6/attachment.htm From IsisInform at aol.com Sat Aug 26 14:48:49 2006 From: IsisInform at aol.com (IsisInform at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:48:49 EDT Subject: list serve Message-ID: Hi to Coronado -- As a veteran of many volunteer associations, I would like to express my regret at Tyler's resignation. It's hard to get people to take on time-consuming volunteer work. It's even harder to find people like Tyler who actually want to get something done. We have many talented people in Coronado and a few of them contribute their valuable energies to make this a wonderful community. We have just lost one of those people because of the angry tone in the discussion list. It is likely that this anger is disouraging other neighbors from contributing their energies to the GCNA. I'd like to suggest we form a task force to re-think the discussion list and to develop policies that would encourage both freedom of expression and and a cooperative neighborhood. I am requesting that this be added to the agenda for the next meeting on Sept. 7. Thanks, Katherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/baefa8ee/attachment.htm From jankyouverymuch at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 21:23:46 2006 From: jankyouverymuch at yahoo.com (D A M O N) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Was this a mistake on Google's part? In-Reply-To: <7cf035d60608261349x753783a8k394db5e211058e55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060827042346.32149.qmail@web50011.mail.yahoo.com> Maggie - I found out from my friend who works for Google that it's a "knit" in their programming, because people have selected that site over and over when they originally put in the word "failure" in the keyword box. Someone figured out how to subvert their own formula in the programming and had their computer choose that website over and over to make it the number one link for that keyword. There's something similar if you put in "French Military Victories" and hit the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button. (except this one is an actual prank by another webmaster) Try it. Damon --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/3d08e7be/attachment.htm From malka16 at cox.net Sat Aug 26 21:50:39 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:50:39 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Was this a mistake on Google's part? References: <20060827042346.32149.qmail@web50011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0e9f01c6c994$57e00600$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Funny - you get the same results when you type in "miserable failure" and hit I feel Lucky VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: D A M O N To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Was this a mistake on Google's part? Maggie - I found out from my friend who works for Google that it's a "knit" in their programming, because people have selected that site over and over when they originally put in the word "failure" in the keyword box. Someone figured out how to subvert their own formula in the programming and had their computer choose that website over and over to make it the number one link for that keyword. There's something similar if you put in "French Military Victories" and hit the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button. (except this one is an actual prank by another webmaster) Try it. Damon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/6a4e5db1/attachment.htm From mjfritz at cox.net Sat Aug 26 23:16:01 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:16:01 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Was this a mistake on Google's part? References: <20060827042346.32149.qmail@web50011.mail.yahoo.com> <0e9f01c6c994$57e00600$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <062201c6c9a0$45444450$6f33b046@Matthew> Try "worst president in history". ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Steinberg To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Was this a mistake on Google's part? Funny - you get the same results when you type in "miserable failure" and hit I feel Lucky VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: D A M O N To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Was this a mistake on Google's part? Maggie - I found out from my friend who works for Google that it's a "knit" in their programming, because people have selected that site over and over when they originally put in the word "failure" in the keyword box. Someone figured out how to subvert their own formula in the programming and had their computer choose that website over and over to make it the number one link for that keyword. There's something similar if you put in "French Military Victories" and hit the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button. (except this one is an actual prank by another webmaster) Try it. Damon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060826/5091a19a/attachment.htm From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Sun Aug 27 00:09:01 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:09:01 -0700 Subject: A solution for you In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would offer to start and moderate a yahoo group for the neighborhood personal and political discussions. I do have plenty of experience moderating large yahoo groups and I definately can provide references for that. However, I don't think seperating the group is a good idea. First off, not everyone has or is willing to get a Yahoo account for the group. Second, I wouldn't want to be responsible for breaking up this listserv. We've tried moving conversations over to message boards, no one wanted to do it. I believe it was agreed that the familiarity of this format and the fact that it is delivered right to the e-mail was the key point in the list-serv's success. Then again.. I would love to be able to discuss politics and personal events with other neighbors who would also be open to the idea without worrying about invading the policies of the GCNA or getting complaints from people who don't want my opinion. Also, Yahoo groups do get delivered to your e-mail just like a list-serv and therefore could be delivered to the same inbox with a different subject line so you know which group it's from. If anyone is interested in joining a new group, in addition to this group, where we can share things that would generally be frowned on in this group (like opinions on the new propositions for the upcoming ballot?) I would be more than willing to start the group. I'll warn you ahead of time though, I'm a fair moderator and don't believe in censorship. My policy is pretty much to let the discussion go it's way until either I get a private complaint.. which I will then take care of the matter privately.. or if I decide the subject matter is too offensive (and really it's very hard to offend me). -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: Brig180 at aol.com Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: A solution for you Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:21:17 EDT Here's a possible solution to this idiotic and tiresome conflict: Step one: Reserve the existing listserv for official Association communication and resident announcements specific to the neighborhood (events, happenings, rental requests/announcements, etc.) with no political or personal discussions; Step two: Create a second listserv specifically for "neighborhood discussions" of any sort. Look, it's FREE and easy! _http://groups.yahoo.com/start_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/start) (No, I'm not going to do it. I'm not interested in moderating a "bitchserv".) Someone interested in "taking over" can put some of that excess energy to productive use and set it up him or herself. Or, of course, certain people could continue to endlessly bitch and whine about/on the existing listserv, hijacking it for their own self-aggrandizement and soapboxing, which we can all agree serves no useful purpose and drives away people (OUR NEIGHBORS!) who would like to receive news and event information about THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. Darrin _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From wayne at xnar.com Sun Aug 27 06:54:23 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:54:23 -0700 Subject: A solution for you In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060827135430.VNDN4015.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> We can self sensor what is offensive. The delete button. That way no group or individual "controls" the expression. Which sounds really weird to me. Having been the object of what maybe should have been sensored. It is better that the expression be made and that people can make their own judgements. Roobin we haven't heard from you? Andy imput? W -----Original Message----- From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:09 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: RE: A solution for you I would offer to start and moderate a yahoo group for the neighborhood personal and political discussions. I do have plenty of experience moderating large yahoo groups and I definately can provide references for that. However, I don't think seperating the group is a good idea. First off, not everyone has or is willing to get a Yahoo account for the group. Second, I wouldn't want to be responsible for breaking up this listserv. We've tried moving conversations over to message boards, no one wanted to do it. I believe it was agreed that the familiarity of this format and the fact that it is delivered right to the e-mail was the key point in the list-serv's success. Then again.. I would love to be able to discuss politics and personal events with other neighbors who would also be open to the idea without worrying about invading the policies of the GCNA or getting complaints from people who don't want my opinion. Also, Yahoo groups do get delivered to your e-mail just like a list-serv and therefore could be delivered to the same inbox with a different subject line so you know which group it's from. If anyone is interested in joining a new group, in addition to this group, where we can share things that would generally be frowned on in this group (like opinions on the new propositions for the upcoming ballot?) I would be more than willing to start the group. I'll warn you ahead of time though, I'm a fair moderator and don't believe in censorship. My policy is pretty much to let the discussion go it's way until either I get a private complaint.. which I will then take care of the matter privately.. or if I decide the subject matter is too offensive (and really it's very hard to offend me). -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: Brig180 at aol.com Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: A solution for you Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:21:17 EDT Here's a possible solution to this idiotic and tiresome conflict: Step one: Reserve the existing listserv for official Association communication and resident announcements specific to the neighborhood (events, happenings, rental requests/announcements, etc.) with no political or personal discussions; Step two: Create a second listserv specifically for "neighborhood discussions" of any sort. Look, it's FREE and easy! _http://groups.yahoo.com/start_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/start) (No, I'm not going to do it. I'm not interested in moderating a "bitchserv".) Someone interested in "taking over" can put some of that excess energy to productive use and set it up him or herself. Or, of course, certain people could continue to endlessly bitch and whine about/on the existing listserv, hijacking it for their own self-aggrandizement and soapboxing, which we can all agree serves no useful purpose and drives away people (OUR NEIGHBORS!) who would like to receive news and event information about THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. Darrin _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From malka16 at cox.net Sun Aug 27 10:25:15 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:25:15 -0700 Subject: request your early ballot today! Message-ID: <0eea01c6c9fd$c2a8f780$f2c20244@yourtwa0macjqu> OK, now I will get back to our regularly scheduled program! You have until Sept 1 to request your early Primary ballot - just go to: https://recorder.maricopa.gov/EarlyVoteBallot/evbrequest.aspx Please forward this to your lists! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060827/317cb83d/attachment.htm From tjvick at cox.net Sun Aug 27 10:38:20 2006 From: tjvick at cox.net (tjvick at cox.net) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:38:20 -0700 Subject: Disclaimer Message-ID: <28872437.1156700300785.JavaMail.root@fed1wml05.mgt.cox.net> Just got back from a vacation in Hawaii- Found over 200 emails and most were from the list. Read a little of the subject and just deleted all the ones with repo in them. Wasn't crazy about all that junk but certainly nothing to be apologized to about. Delete is a great tool. I love the passion in our neighborhood. Wish people would get less personal ,though. Freedom means allowing others to have opinions without getting seriously offended by them. Chill out, ya'll. ************** > The following is a paragraph written by Tyler on June 11,2006 after being voted in as president. He contradicts himself in saying that GCNA is provided this list serve free of charge and then goes on to say that GCNA funds make this happen. What kind of funds is he talking about? The disclaimer clearly states NO FINANCIAL TIES. Anyone? > "We?re grateful to the current and former members of GCNA ? especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster ? whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood. Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist. We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible." > > > > > --Disclaimer-- > > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an *******outside source********, with no financial tie, or**********editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. ************* > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jo Clute" > > To: "Alyssa" ; "Dawn" ; > > "Dwayne > > Darling" ; "Edward Schlee" ; "imp > > _" ; "Ivana Olson" ; > > ; "jill petterson" ; > > ; "Maggie Keane" ; > > ; "mjfritz" ; "sam savage" > > ; "Stacey Vise" ; > > ; "Jennifer Downing" ; "Wayne > > Murray" ; "Michelle Steinberg" ; > > ; ; ; > > ; ; ; > > > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:16 PM > > > > > > > Tyler just removed me from the list serve, along with Michelle, Brian, > > > and > > > a few others. I have copied as many email addresses as I could find > > > attached to the list serve's old emails. If there are any of you > > > (regardless of your opinions on what we say on this list serve) which > > > find > > > this an outrageous abuse of his position, (regardless of your opinion of > > > me or the others) I encourage you to let him know. > > > > > > I tried to email a copy of an email from Michelle and I was unable to. > > > Tyler just hit his own private little bee hive, I hope he is aware of > > > that. > > > > > > Jo Clute > > > 602-550-4157 > > > > > > > > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -- Kindness matters From mjfritz at cox.net Sun Aug 27 10:55:19 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:55:19 -0700 Subject: The Show Must Go On Message-ID: <06ad01c6ca01$f5c2a4f0$6f33b046@Matthew> So...what's next?? The USS Coronado floats adrift at sea without a captain at the helm. Do we need a face to face to reconcile with Tyler? Do we need Don to step up to the plate? (Where are all the remaining board members throughout this discussion?) Do we need to hold some type of emergency election? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060827/4fe77daf/attachment.htm From josepi at doitnow.com Sun Aug 27 11:08:32 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:08:32 -0700 Subject: DR PHIL SHOW Message-ID: <044e01c6ca03$e40ce200$6401a8c0@JoClute> Last year, this list called out for the assistance of an elderly woman to remove an abundance of monster weeds in her back yard so as to avoid a fairly substantial fine. As it turned out the City and the Humane Society AND Animal Planet were there to help save over 60 cats that were found (some dead some alive) amongst three feet high of composted newspaper, animal carcasses, excrement and water from their HVAC condensing line. A lot of neighbors showed up to help unknowingly as to what was about to occur. In order to even go inside the house, the City had delivered 2 40 yard Roll offs just to remove enough contents of the house to get to the animals. Some if not most of the animals were liquefied with urine along with the rest of the contents of this house. The Dr Phil show called out to people who had neighbors that were hoarding animals. I wrote in to the Dr. Phil Show with this story (which actually aired on Animal Planet). I got a call on Friday from one of the Dr Phil producers who was just as horrified by this story. I know that a couple of us showed up there that I recognized but if you were there and I didn't know it, could you please email me with your information so I can forward it to the producer. Its a 50/50 shot as to whether they will produce this show based on the fact that Animal Planet already was involved but I was trying to encourage the neighborhood angle on this story on how we were all there to just help one of our fellow neighbors. Also, Animal Planet and the Arizona Humane Society might be invited to participate in the program. This great opportunity got lost amid the list serve debacle, but now that we are all back on track...... Please email me directly if you know anything about this situation so I can give the producer your contact information. Clute -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060827/1f9f70ce/attachment.htm From wayne at xnar.com Sun Aug 27 11:20:54 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:20:54 -0700 Subject: DR PHIL SHOW In-Reply-To: <044e01c6ca03$e40ce200$6401a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <20060827182101.ERHE6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Thank you for keeping this in the national attention. Sometimes I think people are just not aware. I never heard back from Oprah on the traffic circle :-( W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Jo Clute Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:09 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: DR PHIL SHOW Last year, this list called out for the assistance of an elderly woman to remove an abundance of monster weeds in her back yard so as to avoid a fairly substantial fine. As it turned out the City and the Humane Society AND Animal Planet were there to help save over 60 cats that were found (some dead some alive) amongst three feet high of composted newspaper, animal carcasses, excrement and water from their HVAC condensing line. A lot of neighbors showed up to help unknowingly as to what was about to occur. In order to even go inside the house, the City had delivered 2 40 yard Roll offs just to remove enough contents of the house to get to the animals. Some if not most of the animals were liquefied with urine along with the rest of the contents of this house. The Dr Phil show called out to people who had neighbors that were hoarding animals. I wrote in to the Dr. Phil Show with this story (which actually aired on Animal Planet). I got a call on Friday from one of the Dr Phil producers who was just as horrified by this story. I know that a couple of us showed up there that I recognized but if you were there and I didn't know it, could you please email me with your information so I can forward it to the producer. Its a 50/50 shot as to whether they will produce this show based on the fact that Animal Planet already was involved but I was trying to encourage the neighborhood angle on this story on how we were all there to just help one of our fellow neighbors. Also, Animal Planet and the Arizona Humane Society might be invited to participate in the program. This great opportunity got lost amid the list serve debacle, but now that we are all back on track...... Please email me directly if you know anything about this situation so I can give the producer your contact information. Clute -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060827/11b326d6/attachment.htm From roobin at starband.net Sun Aug 27 11:35:29 2006 From: roobin at starband.net (roobin) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:35:29 -0700 Subject: A solution for you References: <20060827135430.VNDN4015.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <0b9601c6ca07$95684be0$0200a8c0@beta> Gee Wayne, that was as subtle as a sledgehammer. :) I was one of the first people to sign up for this listserve and at the time I started telling everyone I knew about it. I thought it was a unique tool for neighbors to use technology and have discussions of neighborhood issues. At that time I thought it would be a great way to keep people current about meetings, functions, committees, street closures, suspicious people, crime patterns and other bits of information that could be useful to neighbors. I don't refer anyone to it anymore. It's become mostly a source of angst and strife. A few people have taken this listserve to be their own soapbox for not only local or neighborhood events, but their personal positions. A few people have decided this is their platform to nit-pick every problem in the neighborhood and then again criticize those who are trying to affect positive change. A few people use this to complain and whine about whatever happens to be their problem of the day. And frankly, a few people use this listserve to deposit loads of bullsh**. This is a diverse neighborhood that houses many people of many backgrounds, experiences, beliefs... yadda, yadda, yadaa.... Everyone knows that. I get tired of reading it... as I'm sure you do. Everyone acknowledges this as true yet it seems that we aren't aware that our message could be received wrong considering that same diverse nature. Writing is a difficult process. For those that do it well, it is an incredible means of expression. But we are not all professional or proficient writers. We all at times use the wrong word or phrase and evoke the wrong sentiment. But mostly, we don't know how our 'diverse' neighbors will receive our message. That is, I think our base problem. If we could learn how to present our ideas without dropping grenades or planting landmines, then we'd have a much more civil discourse. Some have suggested that your Delete key is the best solution. I believe that perhaps the best one is Backspace. Our problems seems not in the recipients, but with the sender. Our listserve is similar to the junk mail that shows up at your doorstep. You don't know what's inside until you open it. And even still, the 'message' on the envelope may be misleading. In our listserve we have the Subject line. Some people don't change that and just reply to the previous message while others do keep it current to their message. In either case, however, the recipients don't really know what's contained until they read it. So, without knowing the contents, you may be doing yourself a disservice by hitting Delete based solely on the Sender or Subject of the message. So that leaves you to read the message, and if it's inflammatory to you, you may want to reply in kind. We aren't all saints here. We don't have infinite patience. Despite our best attempts, sometimes we just can't let it go. We see something we don't like and we respond with not only the same level of intensity, but a little bit more. We end up digging through a thesaurus looking for little 'word tweaks' to give our message just a little more emphasis. Exclamation points just don't carry the same weight as they once did. And then KABOOM! The war is on. But consider for a moment, using your Backspace key. Consider that perhaps your neighbor doesn't know your background. Consider that they weren't trying to tick you off or pick a fight, but just share some information. Take a moment, a minute, an hour, a day and consider what affect your reply would have. Are you trying to tick them off in kind? Are you more interested in belittling them than in expressing a contrary opinion? Have you re-read your reply? Have you removed any inflammatory language? This is really tough -- putting aside your emotions. But it's civil. My Drafts folder is full of messages I never sent. Most were written in quick reply to something I didn't like. I look them over from time to time easily remembering the emotions I had when writing them. I haven't figured out how to tone them down. I'll never send them. as I haven't the ability to take out the sting. But this isn't about me. On the Saint scale, I would hardly register. All I know is that had I posted those messages intact, language fisticuffs would have ensued. And, yes, I too have dropped a couple loads of crappola on the listserve. I'm not proud of that. So let me suggest the we Backspace over our words some. That we take the time to consider how the message will be received. That we consider that perhaps a private response might be better. And if we still have some doubts about it, that we send our message to a friend first for comment -- then we revise. I really don't see any topic to ever be out of bounds -- if we can all consider how it would be received. Note: Despite all my revisions and reviews of this message I have no doubt that some could receive it poorly. I could redo it again a few more times adding more qualifiers and less emphasis, but I don't see any way to do that without making it a load of soppy goo. As I say, I'm not a professional writer. Apologies in advance for any offense. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Murray" To: Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: RE: A solution for you > We can self sensor what is offensive. The delete button. That way no > group > or individual "controls" the expression. Which sounds really weird to me. > > Having been the object of what maybe should have been sensored. It is > better that the expression be made and that people can make their own > judgements. > > Roobin we haven't heard from you? Andy imput? > > W > > -----Original Message----- > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:09 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: A solution for you > > I would offer to start and moderate a yahoo group for the neighborhood > personal and political discussions. I do have plenty of experience > moderating large yahoo groups and I definately can provide references for > that. > > However, I don't think seperating the group is a good idea. First off, not > everyone has or is willing to get a Yahoo account for the group. Second, I > wouldn't want to be responsible for breaking up this listserv. We've tried > moving conversations over to message boards, no one wanted to do it. I > believe it was agreed that the familiarity of this format and the fact > that > it is delivered right to the e-mail was the key point in the list-serv's > success. > > Then again.. I would love to be able to discuss politics and personal > events > > with other neighbors who would also be open to the idea without worrying > about invading the policies of the GCNA or getting complaints from people > who don't want my opinion. > > Also, Yahoo groups do get delivered to your e-mail just like a list-serv > and > > therefore could be delivered to the same inbox with a different subject > line > > so you know which group it's from. > > If anyone is interested in joining a new group, in addition to this group, > where we can share things that would generally be frowned on in this group > (like opinions on the new propositions for the upcoming ballot?) I would > be > > more than willing to start the group. I'll warn you ahead of time though, > I'm a fair moderator and don't believe in censorship. My policy is pretty > much to let the discussion go it's way until either I get a private > complaint.. which I will then take care of the matter privately.. or if I > decide the subject matter is too offensive (and really it's very hard to > offend me). > > > -Ivana > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Brig180 at aol.com > Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: A solution for you > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:21:17 EDT > > Here's a possible solution to this idiotic and tiresome conflict: > > Step one: Reserve the existing listserv for official Association > communication and resident announcements specific to the neighborhood > (events, > happenings, rental requests/announcements, etc.) with no political or > personal > discussions; > > Step two: Create a second listserv specifically for "neighborhood > discussions" of any sort. > > Look, it's FREE and easy! _http://groups.yahoo.com/start_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/start) (No, I'm not going to do it. I'm not > interested in > moderating a "bitchserv".) Someone interested in "taking over" can put > some of that > excess energy to productive use and set it up him or herself. > > Or, of course, certain people could continue to endlessly bitch and whine > about/on the existing listserv, hijacking it for their own > self-aggrandizement > and soapboxing, which we can all agree serves no useful purpose and > drives > away people (OUR NEIGHBORS!) who would like to receive news and event > information about THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. > > Darrin > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From vcampo1 at cox.net Sun Aug 27 11:43:28 2006 From: vcampo1 at cox.net (vcampo1 at cox.net) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:43:28 -0700 Subject: A solution for you Message-ID: <30603022.1156704208530.JavaMail.root@fed1wml04.mgt.cox.net> I just want to weigh in on this listserve debate. I've been in the neighborhood about a year, and I've been surprised on several occasions at the personal attacks I see on this list. I'm happy to hear a variety of opinions, but if we want free speech, why do we make personal attacks on those who speak freely? I teach a writing class in which we debate all sorts of controversial issues, but we always maintain respect for the discourse community. I don't mind hearing any views that are contrary to my own, but if we disrespect each other, we do no good to the neighborhood. I'm sad to see Tyler gone. I don't attend the meetings because of my teaching schedule, but on this listserve he has always provided thorough responses to issues and his ethos has always been professional. Vicky ---- Wayne Murray wrote: > We can self sensor what is offensive. The delete button. That way no group > or individual "controls" the expression. Which sounds really weird to me. > > Having been the object of what maybe should have been sensored. It is > better that the expression be made and that people can make their own > judgements. > > Roobin we haven't heard from you? Andy imput? > > W > > -----Original Message----- > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:09 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: A solution for you > > I would offer to start and moderate a yahoo group for the neighborhood > personal and political discussions. I do have plenty of experience > moderating large yahoo groups and I definately can provide references for > that. > > However, I don't think seperating the group is a good idea. First off, not > everyone has or is willing to get a Yahoo account for the group. Second, I > wouldn't want to be responsible for breaking up this listserv. We've tried > moving conversations over to message boards, no one wanted to do it. I > believe it was agreed that the familiarity of this format and the fact that > it is delivered right to the e-mail was the key point in the list-serv's > success. > > Then again.. I would love to be able to discuss politics and personal events > > with other neighbors who would also be open to the idea without worrying > about invading the policies of the GCNA or getting complaints from people > who don't want my opinion. > > Also, Yahoo groups do get delivered to your e-mail just like a list-serv and > > therefore could be delivered to the same inbox with a different subject line > > so you know which group it's from. > > If anyone is interested in joining a new group, in addition to this group, > where we can share things that would generally be frowned on in this group > (like opinions on the new propositions for the upcoming ballot?) I would be > > more than willing to start the group. I'll warn you ahead of time though, > I'm a fair moderator and don't believe in censorship. My policy is pretty > much to let the discussion go it's way until either I get a private > complaint.. which I will then take care of the matter privately.. or if I > decide the subject matter is too offensive (and really it's very hard to > offend me). > > > -Ivana > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Brig180 at aol.com > Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: A solution for you > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:21:17 EDT > > Here's a possible solution to this idiotic and tiresome conflict: > > Step one: Reserve the existing listserv for official Association > communication and resident announcements specific to the neighborhood > (events, > happenings, rental requests/announcements, etc.) with no political or > personal > discussions; > > Step two: Create a second listserv specifically for "neighborhood > discussions" of any sort. > > Look, it's FREE and easy! _http://groups.yahoo.com/start_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/start) (No, I'm not going to do it. I'm not > interested in > moderating a "bitchserv".) Someone interested in "taking over" can put > some of that > excess energy to productive use and set it up him or herself. > > Or, of course, certain people could continue to endlessly bitch and whine > about/on the existing listserv, hijacking it for their own > self-aggrandizement > and soapboxing, which we can all agree serves no useful purpose and drives > away people (OUR NEIGHBORS!) who would like to receive news and event > information about THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. > > Darrin > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list