From macalpines at yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 07:40:51 2006 From: macalpines at yahoo.com (macalpines restaurant/soda fou) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 07:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Space for Rent next to MacAlpine's. Please pass it on th anyone who might be interested! Message-ID: <20060904144051.75302.qmail@web51915.mail.yahoo.com> We could use some help finding a great business to add to our neighborhood. This is the space between Sierrra Hardwood Floors and Shirley Mae's Retro. Ideal for an antiques, clothing, furniture, jewery, art gallery, or ??? If you know of anyone, please forward this info. Thank you, Cary and Monica FOR LEASE 1000 sq ft space with store front on busy street in dynamic area located at 2307 N. 7th Street and Oak (between McDowell and Thomas) $1100 a month plus electric Location is just north of downtown Phoenix next to MacAlpine's Restaurant and Soda Fountain and Shirle Mae's Retro on the edge of the Coronado Historic District. Call Cary or Monica at (602)262-5545 or email at macalpines at yahoo.com. --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060904/ac26d018/attachment.html From beehivebebe at cox.net Mon Sep 4 11:58:16 2006 From: beehivebebe at cox.net (Heidi Progress Lighting) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:58:16 -0700 Subject: murder in my alley Message-ID: <000d01c6d054$15b39a00$6401a8c0@BeehiveBordello> Last evening, about 4:30 we hear (very close and loud) 6 to 8 gunshots. My fianc? goes outside and sees a guy laying by a truck 2 houses west of mine. I guess the shooter actually lives in the apt. complex there, these are the apts right next to Center for Senior Living at 12th and Thomas. My fianc? saw the shooters truck leaving the scene, they were in no hurry to leave either it seemed. What baffled me was the authorities let that body lie there for 6 hours, without even a canopy over it. Heidi on Edgemont -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060904/879c9a83/attachment.html From BRIG180 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 4 12:08:35 2006 From: BRIG180 at AOL.COM (BRIG180 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:08:35 -0700 Subject: For rent! Message-ID: <14811424.1157396954628.JavaMail.teamon@b223.teamon.com> Howdy, folks! Available for rent in Coronado: Two bedroom, 1 bath 1925 Bungalow with coved ceilings, new hardwood floors, new kitchen with dishwasher, dual cooling Utility/storage room has w/d hookups. 1-car carport. Thick adobe walls and shade trees keep the a/c bill low. ($100 for August, set at 76!) Interior work is nearing completion; exterior (paint, landscape) will follow! NO PETS (those oak floors are new). $975/mo plus utilities (water included). First, last, one month security. Willing to discuss lease-purchase or FSBO. Guest house on same property will be available and complete in November; 1 br/1 bath, all-new kitchen with over-range microwave, new bath, 2006 heat pump, stacked w/d in utility room. Walk-in closet/dressing room between bedroom and bath -- tons of storage! Will rent for $625/mo plus utilities (water included). Small pets with add'l deposit. Email at brig180 at aol.com or call Darrin at 602-388-4830. From wayne at xnar.com Mon Sep 4 14:10:13 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:10:13 -0700 Subject: FW: our military men Message-ID: <20060904211021.ITDE12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> The average age of the military man is 19 years. He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country. He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his father's; but he has never collected unemployment either. He's a recent High School graduate; he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away. He listens to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz or swing and 155mm howitzer. He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk. He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark. He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must. He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional. He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march. He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity. He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues: he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low. He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job. He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime. ! He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed. He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful. Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom. Beardless or not, he is not a boy. He is the American that has kept this country free for over 200 years. He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding. Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood. And now we even have woman over there in danger, doing their part in this tradition of going to War when our nation calls us to do so. As you go to bed tonight, remember this shot.. A short lull, a little shade and a picture of loved ones in their helmets Prayer wheel for our military... please don't break it. Please send this on after a short prayer. Prayer Wheel "Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. Amen." Prayer : When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a prayer for our ground troops in Afghanistan, sailors on ships, and airmen in the air, and for those in Iraq. There is nothing attached.... This can be very powerful....... Of all the gifts you could give a US and/or Canadian Soldier, Sailor, Coastguardsman, Marine or Airman, prayer is the very best one. KENNETH G. WASHINGTON SSG, USA 2-327 INF KIRKUK, IRAQ DSN: 444- 2518 VOIP: 242-2365 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anybody know? Maggie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060904/fd34358e/attachment.html From tjvick at cox.net Mon Sep 4 16:11:49 2006 From: tjvick at cox.net (tjvick at cox.net) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:11:49 -0700 Subject: For rent! Message-ID: <531228.1157411509376.JavaMail.root@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net> Where in COronadao are they? ---- BRIG180 at AOL.COM wrote: ============= Howdy, folks! Available for rent in Coronado: Two bedroom, 1 bath 1925 Bungalow with coved ceilings, new hardwood floors, new kitchen with dishwasher, dual cooling Utility/storage room has w/d hookups. 1-car carport. Thick adobe walls and shade trees keep the a/c bill low. ($100 for August, set at 76!) Interior work is nearing completion; exterior (paint, landscape) will follow! NO PETS (those oak floors are new). $975/mo plus utilities (water included). First, last, one month security. Willing to discuss lease-purchase or FSBO. Guest house on same property will be available and complete in November; 1 br/1 bath, all-new kitchen with over-range microwave, new bath, 2006 heat pump, stacked w/d in utility room. Walk-in closet/dressing room between bedroom and bath -- tons of storage! Will rent for $625/mo plus utilities (water included). Small pets with add'l deposit. Email at brig180 at aol.com or call Darrin at 602-388-4830. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -- Kindness matters From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Mon Sep 4 16:23:31 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:23:31 -0700 Subject: murder in my alley Message-ID: That's a bit disturbing. I've been rather iffy of that apartment complex pretty much my whole life, so no surprises there, but the fact that the authorities just let it sit there is unsettling. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Heidi Progress Lighting" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: murder in my alley Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:58:16 -0700 Last evening, about 4:30 we hear (very close and loud) 6 to 8 gunshots. My fianc? goes outside and sees a guy laying by a truck 2 houses west of mine. I guess the shooter actually lives in the apt. complex there, these are the apts right next to Center for Senior Living at 12th and Thomas. My fianc? saw the shooters truck leaving the scene, they were in no hurry to leave either it seemed. What baffled me was the authorities let that body lie there for 6 hours, without even a canopy over it. Heidi on Edgemont _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From samisavage2001 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 17:02:41 2006 From: samisavage2001 at yahoo.com (sam savage) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) In-Reply-To: <7cf035d60609041503i1dbb2c83mefcf5790b5cb9a1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060905000241.61493.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm on the phone with central city precinct now. Apparently, the (shooting) homicide suspect is still on the loose. I'm on hold, waiting for any additional info..... It's been extremely difficult to reach anyone there today (holiday) - very troubling OK here's what little I could get today: Incident #: 6167 8973 19 officers responded - the suspect was not caught a lead officer is not listed yet on the initial report. No suspect description is available yet if we call tomorrow, they should be able to give us more info - or at least put us in contact with the officer that will be the lead for this investigation (there should be one assigned in the morning). (602) 534-1127 Maggie Keane wrote: We drove by the Senior Living place about 6pm and saw all the cops and news teams and crime scene tape and wondered what was up. We missed the news last night, and haven't heard any details. So who shot who and why? Anybody know? Maggie _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060904/e168d138/attachment.html From ewenme at qwest.net Mon Sep 4 17:04:21 2006 From: ewenme at qwest.net (Ellen Edwards) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:04:21 -0700 Subject: Murder/body in alley Message-ID: Sadly, tragically, it takes a long time to process a crime scene. I've seen this happen too many times. The appropriateness of "the deceased" not being covered with a tarp is questionable. But, remember, in this heat, decomposition is accelerated when a cover is in place. Similar to the sweating and ruination of dinner rolls left in a closed car. Disgusting situation in any case. Ellen Edwards From ewenme at qwest.net Mon Sep 4 17:12:00 2006 From: ewenme at qwest.net (Ellen Edwards) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:12:00 -0700 Subject: Coronado meeting Thursday Message-ID: Come get lots of information this Thursday, 7:00 p.m., Emerson School, Palm Lane/10th Street, activities room. Well lit parking lot and signs to meeting space. Our neighborhood policemen will probably have more info about the alley murder. Manny has been on vacation out of state. From what I hear, this meeting will be very lively, interesting and VERY important. If you're not a member, bring your $5.00 and get on board. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. EWE From BRIG180 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 4 17:23:57 2006 From: BRIG180 at AOL.COM (BRIG180 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:23:57 -0700 Subject: For rent! Message-ID: <6248231.1157415876147.JavaMail.teamon@b224.teamon.com> 13th Street and Oak! -----Original Message----- From: tjvick at cox.net To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Cc: BRIG180 at AOL.COM Sent: 9/4/06 4:11 PM Subject: Re: For rent! Where in COronadao are they? ---- BRIG180 at AOL.COM wrote: ============= Howdy, folks! Available for rent in Coronado: Two bedroom, 1 bath 1925 Bungalow with coved ceilings, new hardwood floors, new kitchen with dishwasher, dual cooling Utility/storage room has w/d hookups. 1-car carport. Thick adobe walls and shade trees keep the a/c bill low. ($100 for August, set at 76!) Interior work is nearing completion; exterior (paint, landscape) will follow! NO PETS (those oak floors are new). $975/mo plus utilities (water included). First, last, one month security. Willing to discuss lease-purchase or FSBO. Guest house on same property will be available and complete in November; 1 br/1 bath, all-new kitchen with over-range microwave, new bath, 2006 heat pump, stacked w/d in utility room. Walk-in closet/dressing room between bedroom and bath -- tons of storage! Will rent for $625/mo plus utilities (water included). Small pets with add'l deposit. Email at brig180 at aol.com or call Darrin at 602-388-4830. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- From mjfritz at cox.net Mon Sep 4 18:10:16 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:10:16 -0700 Subject: Murder/body in alley References: Message-ID: <00d301c6d088$0c194470$dc31b046@Matthew> The fact that the body was not covered seems to be the least important detail affecting our neighborhood in this situation. I tend to focus on the fact that someone was shot and killed in our alleys yesterday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Edwards" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: Murder/body in alley > Sadly, tragically, it takes a long time to process a crime scene. I've > seen this happen too many times. The appropriateness of "the deceased" > not being covered with a tarp is questionable. But, remember, in this > heat, decomposition is accelerated when a cover is in place. Similar > to the sweating and ruination of dinner rolls left in a closed car. > > Disgusting situation in any case. > > Ellen Edwards > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net Mon Sep 4 18:44:08 2006 From: andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net (andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:44:08 -0400 Subject: Coronado meeting Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1157420648.44fcd66810d32@webmail.highstream.net> Thanks for the reminder, Ellen. See you on Thursday. A Quoting Ellen Edwards : > Come get lots of information this Thursday, 7:00 p.m., Emerson School, > Palm Lane/10th Street, activities room. Well lit parking lot and signs > to meeting space. > > Our neighborhood policemen will probably have more info about the alley > murder. Manny has been on vacation out of state. > > From what I hear, this meeting will be very lively, interesting and > VERY important. > > If you're not a member, bring your $5.00 and get on board. > > If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. > > EWE > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From ktoneal at cox.net Mon Sep 4 18:55:10 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:55:10 -0700 Subject: Fw: FLAG] Message-ID: <273088.1157421310420.JavaMail.root@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net> > We have a little less than one week and counting to get the word out all across this great land and into every community in the United States of America. THE PROGRAM IS THIS: > > On Monday, September 11th, 2006, an American flag should be displayed outside every home, apartment, office, and store in the United States. Every individual should make it their duty to display an American flag on this fifth anniversary of our country's worst tragedy. We do this in honor of those who lost their lives on 9/11, their families, friends and loved ones who continue to endure the pain, and those who today are fighting at home and abroad to preserve our cherished freedoms. > > In the days, weeks and months following 9/11, our country was bathed in American flags as citizens mourned the incredible losses and stood shoulder-to-shoulder against terrorism. Sadly, those flags have all but disappeared. Our patriotism pulled us through some tough times and it shouldn't take another attack to galvanize us in solidarity. Our American flag is the fabric of our country and together we can prevail over terrorism of all kinds. > Action Plan: So, here's what we need you to do... > (1) Forward this email to everyone you know (at least 11 people). Please don't be the one to break this chain. Take a moment to think back to how you felt on 9/11 and let those sentiments guide you. > (2) Fly an American flag of any size on 9/11. Honestly, Americans should fly the flag year-round, but if you don't, then at least make it a priority on this day. > > Thank you for your participation. God Bless You and God Bless America > > > > > > From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 04:19:13 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:19:13 -0700 Subject: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) In-Reply-To: <20060905000241.61493.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know where they are getting their information, but this morning KPHO (channel 5) reported this on their website: "PHOENIX -- Phoenix police are on the lookout for the suspect in a deadly shooting that happened Sunday at an apartment complex near 12th Street and Thomas Road. Officers were called to the scene just before 6 p.m. and said the victim had been shot multiple times. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Witnesses said the suspect, 32-year-old Rodolfo Bernal-Hernandez, took off in a green 2001 Ford F-150 extended-cab pickup." Until I found this I had heard that no one got a good description of the shooter and all that was seen was the truck. -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: sam savage Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Hi, I'm on the phone with central city precinct now. Apparently, the (shooting) homicide suspect is still on the loose. I'm on hold, waiting for any additional info..... It's been extremely difficult to reach anyone there today (holiday) - very troubling OK here's what little I could get today: Incident #: 6167 8973 19 officers responded - the suspect was not caught a lead officer is not listed yet on the initial report. No suspect description is available yet if we call tomorrow, they should be able to give us more info - or at least put us in contact with the officer that will be the lead for this investigation (there should be one assigned in the morning). (602) 534-1127 Maggie Keane wrote: We drove by the Senior Living place about 6pm and saw all the cops and news teams and crime scene tape and wondered what was up. We missed the news last night, and haven't heard any details. So who shot who and why? Anybody know? Maggie _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From antpeople at hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 06:52:58 2006 From: antpeople at hotmail.com (Julie Ann) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:52:58 +0000 Subject: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060905/8bf97072/attachment.html From beehivebebe at cox.net Tue Sep 5 08:54:28 2006 From: beehivebebe at cox.net (Heidi Progress Lighting) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:54:28 -0700 Subject: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) References: Message-ID: <00b201c6d103$931c2480$6401a8c0@BeehiveBordello> I had put in my first post that the shooter actually lived there in those apts This is how they got a description, and yes, the truck that my fianc? and the other witnesses saw the shooter leave in was a green F150. ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Ann To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: Re: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) Maybe the victim knew the shooter - so they might actually know who they are looking for. I would hope it just wasn't another ramdom shooter. - julie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ivana Olson" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:19:13 -0700 >I don't know where they are getting their information, but this >morning KPHO (channel 5) reported this on their website: > >"PHOENIX -- Phoenix police are on the lookout for the suspect in a >deadly shooting that happened Sunday at an apartment complex near >12th Street and Thomas Road. > >Officers were called to the scene just before 6 p.m. and said the >victim had been shot multiple times. He was pronounced dead at the >scene. > >Witnesses said the suspect, 32-year-old Rodolfo Bernal-Hernandez, >took off in a green 2001 Ford F-150 extended-cab pickup." > >Until I found this I had heard that no one got a good description of >the shooter and all that was seen was the truck. > >-Ivana > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: sam savage >Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >Subject: Re: murder near senior living ctr (1231 E Thomas) >Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:02:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, > I'm on the phone with central city precinct now. Apparently, the >(shooting) homicide suspect is still on the loose. I'm on hold, >waiting for any additional info..... > It's been extremely difficult to reach anyone there today >(holiday) - very troubling > > OK here's what little I could get today: > Incident #: 6167 8973 > 19 officers responded - the suspect was not caught > a lead officer is not listed yet on the initial report. No >suspect description is available yet > if we call tomorrow, they should be able to give us more info - >or at least put us in contact with the officer that will be the lead >for this investigation (there should be one assigned in the >morning). > (602) 534-1127 > > > > >Maggie Keane wrote: > We drove by the Senior Living place about 6pm and saw all the >cops and news teams and crime scene tape and wondered what was up. >We missed the news last night, and haven't heard any details. So who >shot who and why? > Anybody know? > >Maggie >_______________________________________________ >--Note-- >By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >post >to the central-city-discuss list. > >--Disclaimer-- >The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >e-mail >list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >Association. > >To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and >30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. > > >_______________________________________________ >--Note-- >By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >post >to the central-city-discuss list. > >--Disclaimer-- >The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060905/d9bf01c5/attachment.html From andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net Tue Sep 5 11:01:02 2006 From: andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net (andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: Burglary 10th Street and Palm In-Reply-To: <20060905162303.48F652F619@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060905162303.48F652F619@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1157479262.44fdbb5e8c7f3@webmail.highstream.net> What was the location of the burglary? Quoting Noah : > Friday September 1st a burglary occurred during the morning and electronics > and other things were taken. Entry was gained from the back of the house. > Please keep your eyes out and call the police if you see anyone suspicious in > the alleyways... 602.262.6151 is crime stop. Noah > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > From andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net Tue Sep 5 11:01:47 2006 From: andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net (andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:01:47 -0400 Subject: Burglary 10th Street and Palm In-Reply-To: <20060905162303.48F652F619@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060905162303.48F652F619@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1157479307.44fdbb8bac716@webmail.highstream.net> Sorry, just noticed it was in the subj line. Quoting Noah : > Friday September 1st a burglary occurred during the morning and electronics > and other things were taken. Entry was gained from the back of the house. > Please keep your eyes out and call the police if you see anyone suspicious in > the alleyways... 602.262.6151 is crime stop. Noah > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > From wayne at xnar.com Tue Sep 5 18:01:33 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:01:33 -0700 Subject: FW: PHX Downtown Neighborhood News Message-ID: <20060906010138.XSOW6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Those interested in downtown. "The Next Big Step" relates to the "Phoenix Urban Form Project". Steve Procaccini and I have been working as Coronado residents with other historic neighborhoods to have the street lights along McDowell Road become a historic signature street for the historic neighborhoods. The word recently from the City was that our proposals were well received by Historic Preservation and by Streets Transportation. The urban form project was extended to include McDowell Road but lies at the boundary. We are encouraged to make sure that there is a spotlight on McDowell Road so that it is actively included in this plan. Steve and I will keep you posted as to progress and general meetings where neighborhood support would be welcomed. W Please note that anything that comes from me to the discussion list that is a forward will state so in the subject line. _____ From: Urban Connection Realty [mailto:lyle at urbanconnectionrealty.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:35 PM To: Wayne Murray Subject: PHX Downtown Neighborhood News urbanconnectionrealty Volume II Issue 8 Date September 2006 PHOTO June Downtown Neighborhood News The Next Big Step! Now that USU Downtown is open, what's next in the ongoing transformation of our Downtown? A very big part of the next step will be the development of a new set of Downtown Master Plans to insure the city's vision of creating a shady, pedestrian friendly, 24/7 live/work environment will be achieved. These plans will be developed as a result of the "Downtown Phoenix Urban Form Project". At a 'kick-off" event in June at the Orpheum Theatre, Mayor Phil Gordon announced the selected consultant, Dyett and Bhatia of San Francisco, will head up the project. The firm has been involved in extensive "Downtown" projects, including San Diego, Portland, Chicago, Sacramento, Oakland & Milwaukee. The Project/Study will include a Public Participation Plan which will be utilized throughout the process. It will also include Downtown Design Guidelines, a Circulation Master Plan, a Public Art Master Plan, Public Spaces/Connectors Master Plan, an adoptable ordinance that includes all the needed code changes and an implementation plan with timeline and measurement tools. The project is now underway, with expected completion near the end of 2007. If you would like to be involved or kept "up-to-date" with project status and meeting notifications or have general comments or questions, contact Dean Brennan at 602-262-4499 (dean.brennan at phoenix.gov) or Shawn-Marie Vaughn at 602-495-5740 (shawn.vaughn at phoenix.gov). > Read more Buzz on FEZ If you're anything like me, you've been wondering what FEZ stands for because F.E.Z is hardly an acronym for Food, Drinks, and Music like the sign on 3815 N Central Ave would have me to believe-I was totally off! They meant Fez, as in the Moroccan city- This place is definitely urban, trendy, unpretentious and conducive to chilling. The menu takes creative twists with traditional Moroccan flavors. To start I ordered the Bruschetta appetizer and a cup of the Cumin Cinnamon Carrot soup. What I received, was a beautiful platter full of herbed karisa flat bread, toasted baguettes, and three tasty spreads, tomato & onion jam, pesto & artichoke spread. The soup was lick-the-bowl-yummy and the waiter was only too happy to bring me a taste of the equally fresh Tomato Lentil soup. We also ordered the Tangier burger -Hummus, Pesto, Oven Dried Tomatoes, Red Onions & Manchego Cheese on Ciabatta and the Lamb Kisra - lamb, tomatoes, spinach, feta & lemon basil dressing, all on a large round herbed Kisra flat bread plus a serving of the cinnamon dusted sweet potato fries served with an Apricot Aioli- The drinks are equally fun and innovative- My daughter was only too excited to try a virgin version of the Pomegranate Margaritas and my buddy Joe-a local bartender was ecstatic over his Orange Citrus "you can taste the alcohol in this!" Margarita- and I was pleased to find a new favorite Mojo Martini w/extra mint! Salaam aleikom! (Peace to you.) By Portland Ramirez > Read more A Law School is coming to Downtown Phoenix this Fall! The Phoenix International School of Law, currently holding classes in Scottsdale, will bring an expected 150 students to their new location on the southeastern corner of Indian School Road and Central Avenue. The school is the state's only Law School to offer evening classes and part-time programs, in addition to a full-time curriculum. The goal of moving downtown is to be more accessible to working professionals who want to attend law school. * Urban Inner Balance * Urban Concert for 9/11 5th Anniversary * Urban Gallery * Urban Bluegrass * Urban Capitol Tour What does a focused first-time homebuyer look like? Like this guy? Seriously, if you have been sitting on the sidelines waiting for the perfect time to buy, interest rates are trending down and Sellers are motivated, so now is a good time to take advantage of the situation. (Artwork is courtesy of our Client, Doug Bale - link above Urban Affair Saturday, September 30th Phoenix Convention Center Make sure you check out this Urban Living Event at our new "sexy" Convention Center. The event will feature a unique exhibitor showcase plus an exclusive downtown loft tour. Buy tickets in advance online. The new Phoenix Convention Center's West Ballroom entrance is at 100 N. 3rd St. ASU Downtown is Open Many dignitaries attend Grand Opening Ceremonies A good time was had by all at the Grand Opening of the ASU Downtown Phoenix Campus on August 15th as evidenced by the photo of Janet and Phil, our Governor and Mayor respectively, enjoying a joke by ASU President Michael Crow. The enrollment numbers surpassed projections, full steam ahead! Sweet Pea Bakery Now Open on Jackson Street Located at the southwest corner of 2nd Avenue and Jackson Street in Downtown Phoenix, Sweet Pea's offers goodies baked on site in small batches with custom recipes. They also do catering. They are occupying a cool space designed by local Architect, Hayes McNeil. - Stop in and have a goodie! Hispanic Historic Prop Study will document significance The city of Phoenix Historic Preservation Office has contracted a historic property survey focusing on the theme of Hispanic history and heritage in Phoenix from 1870 to 1975. The survey identifies the # and locations of Hispanic-associated historic properties and documents their significance. To remove your name from our mailing list, please click here. Questions? comments? Email us at lyle at urbanconnectionrealty. com or call (602) 795-6363. www.urbanconnectionrealty.com , This message was intended for: wayne at xnar.com You were added to the system June 28, 2006. For more information click here. Update your preferences | Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of sam savage Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:51 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: Free Aloe hi Wayne, I'd love to take some off you hands. I'm working today (Sun). Could I come by sometime late Mon afternoon? Thanks, Sam Wayne Murray wrote: I have pulled lots and lots of ground cover aloe. Enough to do large spaces. Free. 902 East Coronado Road. W 602-258-2605 PS all the Thai furniture is gone. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _____ Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060905/8cc7ff37/attachment.html From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 23:24:26 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:24:26 -0700 Subject: Free Aloe In-Reply-To: <20060906043257.ZWWP27846.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: My friend Shannon would love some aloe if you still have some. She's sans vehicle right now though.. 4313 N. 18th street if you're in that area and wanted to drop it off. -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Wayne Murray" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: RE: Free Aloe Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:32:54 -0700 Barrel still out there. Need me to drop it off?, let me know where. W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of sam savage Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:51 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: Free Aloe hi Wayne, I'd love to take some off you hands. I'm working today (Sun). Could I come by sometime late Mon afternoon? Thanks, Sam Wayne Murray wrote: I have pulled lots and lots of ground cover aloe. Enough to do large spaces. Free. 902 East Coronado Road. W 602-258-2605 PS all the Thai furniture is gone. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _____ Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From wayne at xnar.com Tue Sep 5 23:40:32 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 23:40:32 -0700 Subject: Free Aloe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060906064034.ORYS6711.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> How much. Will do tomorrow. Thanks. W -----Original Message----- From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:24 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: RE: Free Aloe My friend Shannon would love some aloe if you still have some. She's sans vehicle right now though.. 4313 N. 18th street if you're in that area and wanted to drop it off. -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Wayne Murray" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: RE: Free Aloe Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:32:54 -0700 Barrel still out there. Need me to drop it off?, let me know where. W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of sam savage Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:51 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: Free Aloe hi Wayne, I'd love to take some off you hands. I'm working today (Sun). Could I come by sometime late Mon afternoon? Thanks, Sam Wayne Murray wrote: I have pulled lots and lots of ground cover aloe. Enough to do large spaces. Free. 902 East Coronado Road. W 602-258-2605 PS all the Thai furniture is gone. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _____ Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From donmertes1 at cox.net Wed Sep 6 10:13:12 2006 From: donmertes1 at cox.net (donmertes1 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:13:12 -0400 Subject: General Meeting Agenda Message-ID: <1561778.1157562792056.JavaMail.root@centrmwml06.mgt.cox.net> Coronado Neighborhood Association General Meeting, Emerson School Media Room (Palm Lane and 10th Street) September 7, 2006 AGENDA Introduction and Welcome, 3 minutes Announcement: Vote for new officers to be held in October, 3 minutes August minutes read and approved (Nikki Armstrong), 2 minutes Treasurer?s report (Ryan Henrie), 2 minutes Community Action Officers? report, 5 minutes Probation Office Report , 5 minutes Committee reports, 15 minutes Dispatch newsletter (Don Mertes) Finance (Maureen Rooney) Home Tour (call for volunteers) Bylaw review (call for volunteers) Fight Back Updates Welcome new business (Alyssa shevlin "Salon 7"), 3 minutes Wayne Murray, 4 minutes Central City Discuss, 8 minutes Open discussion, 10 minutes Adjourn formal meeting, 8pm continue with informal open discussion, 20 minutes Next meeting Thursday, October 5th 7:00-8:00pm Emerson School Media Room (Palm Lane and 10th Street) From mjfritz at cox.net Wed Sep 6 18:19:32 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:19:32 -0700 Subject: General Meeting Agenda References: <1561778.1157562792056.JavaMail.root@centrmwml06.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <001701c6d21b$aca6f290$dc31b046@Matthew> You know this time overlaps with the season kickoff of the NFL.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: General Meeting Agenda > Coronado Neighborhood Association > General Meeting, Emerson School Media Room (Palm Lane and 10th Street) > September 7, 2006 > AGENDA > > Introduction and Welcome, 3 minutes > Announcement: Vote for new officers to be held in October, 3 minutes > August minutes read and approved (Nikki Armstrong), 2 minutes > Treasurer?s report (Ryan Henrie), 2 minutes > Community Action Officers? report, 5 minutes > Probation Office Report , 5 minutes > Committee reports, 15 minutes > Dispatch newsletter (Don Mertes) > Finance (Maureen Rooney) > Home Tour (call for volunteers) > Bylaw review (call for volunteers) > Fight Back Updates > Welcome new business (Alyssa shevlin "Salon 7"), 3 minutes > Wayne Murray, 4 minutes > Central City Discuss, 8 minutes > Open discussion, 10 minutes > Adjourn formal meeting, 8pm > > continue with informal open discussion, 20 minutes > > > Next meeting > Thursday, October 5th > 7:00-8:00pm > Emerson School Media Room (Palm Lane and 10th Street) > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From josepi at doitnow.com Wed Sep 6 18:32:14 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:32:14 -0700 Subject: C.L.U.E. Message-ID: <048401c6d21d$732a62c0$6401a8c0@JoClute> Do you have a Clue about CLUE? C.L.U.E. (Comprehensive Loss Underwriting Exchange) is a service offered by ChoisePoint Asset Company to help insurance companies lower their risks when underwriting homeowners policies. These are reports from a database subscribed to by an increasing number of insurance companies regarding claims and perceived risks. I run into a few people who have heard of this database; but most people don't really know how it might affect their lives. I'm especially concerned about how this information can impact the insurability or premium costs for homes that are currently on the market. (Homes that you might be involved with in your real estate transactions.) Most of the data kept by ChoisePoint are attached only to the individuals who have purchased insurance and who have filed claims. That information follows them wherever they go-much like their credit reports. However, some data stays attached to specific addresses and can have negative effects regarding premiums or insurability for the next owners. Buyers can be affected. When buyers go to their closings for purchasing homes, their lenders require "binders" for homeowners insurance. However, these binders are merely estimates by insurance companies. The insurance companies are not bound by these estimates or promises to underwrite a particular policy. In fact, insurance companies have a couple of months to complete their "due diligence" regarding their underwriting. (Granted, some insurance companies are starting to look at C.L.U.E. reports and other factors before they issue a binder; but many do not.) That can leave buyers "holding the bag" if the insurance companies discover negative claims histories after the closings. (I've heard of home buyers finding themselves with surprisingly higher premiums, or with no insurance at all, after their insurance companies finally look into the database. And as you know, mortgagees insist on insurance being in place to protect their collateral. Having a mortgage company purchase homeowners insurance for the new owners is never a good experience, as they don't really care how much it costs . they simply pass the cost through to the buyers.) Because the insurance industry has been paying large claims and court settlements regarding mold and mildew remediations, they perceive any claim involving water as a high risk for future possible losses. Therefore, if any claims data is found for a particular address involving a flood, a leak, or a fire (which is usually put out with the use of water); prospective buyers should be aware that their premiums could end up being much higher than their insurance agents first estimate, once the underwriters research their data. Therefore, I strongly urge real estate agents to consider having their clients obtain C.L.U.E. reports regarding specific properties, as soon as possible. Sellers can obtain their own reports. Sellers have the right to obtain these reports on their own properties. The reports can be obtained through ChoisePoint at a cost of $19.95, each, at the following web address: http://www.choicetrust.com/servlet/com.kx.cs.servlets.CsServlet?channel=home&product=ror&subproduct=order&anchor= . A Seller's C.L.U.E. report can also be ordered through the mail by sending the necessary information to: C.L.U.E. Inc. Consumer Disclosure Center P.O. Box 105295 Atlanta, GA 30348-5295 Buyers can take action. If sellers (or their listing agents) are not making the reports available to serious buyers in a timely fashion, I strongly suggest having the buyers obtain reports through their own insurance agencies as soon as possible after their purchase offers are accepted. (I doubt that their insurance companies will charge them any fees for these reports.) Advice for Homeowners. Think twice about having an insurance company cover any of your smaller losses, as those losses may end up costing you many times more in the future through increased premiums. Although your insurance sales agent may have touted the policy's ability to cover small claims, the company's accountants are watching loss data very carefully. Insurance companies have the right to cancel your insurance (or not renew it) after even one claim. Most people don't know that! There is no state-sponsored "back up" insurance for homeowners like there is for automobile insurance. Now that the C.L.U.E. database is helping insurance companies forecast higher risks, any water-based claims could even impact the future marketability of your house. Therefore, don't even call your insurance company to inquire about possibly filing a water-based loss claim unless you consciously choose to have that information in their database. Consider purchasing you homeowners insurance at the highest deductible rate your mortgage contract will allow. (Since you should plan to not use the insurance for small losses, anyway; why pay extra premiums for low deductible amounts?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In pristene condition- that anyone can have free if they can come take it down Fri evening or Sat morning. Have to remove to fit new fridge under--it's just 1 inch too low. If no one responds-my sons will take down but not so carefully. WIll put on curb Sat day for a few hours. -- Kindness matters From mjfritz at cox.net Sat Sep 9 09:49:52 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:49:52 -0700 Subject: Children's Gymnastics Message-ID: <010c01c6d42f$f880a650$dc31b046@Matthew> Does anyone know any facilities offering children's gymnastics in the area? All I can find are locations in Scottsdale, Glendale, Chandler, blah blah blah... Little kids, 2-years old, tumbling and crap like that, no high rings needed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060909/f41a50e7/attachment.html From andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net Sat Sep 9 11:06:31 2006 From: andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net (andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:06:31 -0400 Subject: 12th Street Closed - Saturday, 9/9/06 In-Reply-To: <20060829150959.WFVQ6711.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20060829150959.WFVQ6711.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <1157825191.450302a77f08e@webmail.highstream.net> Looks as if 12th is closed at Oak. If you need to get to Sunshine Market enter from North of Oak. Hopefully, this is the last of the road constuction. Andrea From maggie1one at gmail.com Sat Sep 9 13:26:44 2006 From: maggie1one at gmail.com (Maggie Keane) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:26:44 -0700 Subject: Children's Gymnastics In-Reply-To: <010c01c6d42f$f880a650$dc31b046@Matthew> References: <010c01c6d42f$f880a650$dc31b046@Matthew> Message-ID: <7cf035d60609091326s661e5ebeg1e43be2075d9e794@mail.gmail.com> There's a gymnastic place on 7th St near Bethany? Missouri? Camelback? Somewhere around there on the wast side of the sreet. Steele Gymnastics is the name. On 9/9/06, mjfritz wrote: > > Does anyone know any facilities offering children's gymnastics in the > area? > All I can find are locations in Scottsdale, Glendale, Chandler, blah blah > blah... > Little kids, 2-years old, tumbling and crap like that, no high rings > needed. > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060909/5d01efa0/attachment.html From malka16 at cox.net Sat Sep 9 18:57:40 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:57:40 -0700 Subject: Vote Jason Williams Message-ID: <003001c6d47c$7ffda3c0$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> A Few Days To Go... VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com Campaign Update E-Newsletter September 7, 2006 Dear Friend, Who should lead Arizona's schools: another politician or an experienced educator? Primary Election Countdown: Days before we elect Jason Williams, an experienced educator, as our next State Superintendent Early Voting (August 10th): IN PROGRESS Primary Election (September 12th): 5 DAYS General Election (November 7th): 61 DAYS in this issue a.. Voice of Support a.. Message from Jason Williams Message from Jason Williams Over the last 18 months I have visited with thousands of voters across the State of Arizona. Traveling thousands of miles in my yellow school bus, I have listened carefully to students, parents, teachers, business leaders, and community activists. Local communities statewide now share my vision of educational equity and excellence for all children. The citizens of Arizona know that I am the only public school teacher running for the office of State Superintendent of Public Instruction. As a career educator, I know how much this election will affect our schools and our children. Your help is important and critical. A vote for me will demonstrate your passion and commitment to public education. With your continued support, we have a tremendous opportunity to be a force for real change in Arizona. My campaign asks all of us to take action to bring everyone together. We, as a community, must support our teachers and schools to guarantee that all children receive a free and excellent public education. I believe that we can no longer allow the politicians to make mistakes for our children. The challenges that exist in Arizona's public schools today can and will be fixed, but not by a politician. I appreciate all your past support, which is why I am asking for your vote in the Democratic primary election on September 12th. Please send e-mails, make phone calls, and talk to your family, friends, neighbors, and colleagues over the coming weekend to secure their support and votes for my candidacy. I want to again express my gratitude. Together, we will ensure new leadership, a new perspective, and new thinking at the State Department of Education. And, we will work with our great Governor to continue moving Arizona forward, by moving all of our children forward! With hope and determination, Jason Williams Visit our website and take action before it's too late... Voice of Support Gene C. Blue President/CEO Arizona OIC "Jason Williams cares about our children. He is committed to getting things done. I am proud to stand with Jason Williams for today, for tomorrow and for the betterment of our public education system." Other voices of support on our website... Quick Links... Make A Contribution! Forward This Week's E-Newsletter To A Friend! E-mail Jason Visit Our Website Join our mailing list! email: helpkids at williamsforarizona.com phone: 602-795-4734 web: http://www.williamsforarizona.com Forward email This email was sent to malka16 at cox.net, by helpkids at williamsforarizona.com Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. Powered by Paid for by the Committee to Elect Jason Williams | P.O. Box 33395 | Phoenix | AZ | 85067-3395 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060909/aa3b50ee/attachment.html From wayne at xnar.com Sat Sep 9 19:09:49 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:09:49 -0700 Subject: Vote Jason Williams In-Reply-To: <003001c6d47c$7ffda3c0$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <20060910020954.OUZJ6077.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> LOL Welcome home W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle Steinberg Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:58 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Vote Jason Williams VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com Campaign Banner Campaign Update E-Newsletter September 7, 2006 Dear Friend, Who should lead Arizona's schools: another politician or an experienced educator? Primary Election Countdown: Days before we elect Jason Williams, an experienced educator, as our next State Superintendent Early Voting (August 10th): IN PROGRESS Primary Election (September 12th): 5 DAYS General Election (November 7th): 61 DAYS in this issue * Voice of Support * Message from Jason Williams Message from Jason Williams Over the last 18 months I have visited with thousands of voters across the State of Arizona. Traveling thousands of miles in my yellow school bus, I have listened carefully to students, parents, teachers, business leaders, and community activists. Local communities statewide now share my vision of educational equity and excellence for all children. The citizens of Arizona know that I am the only public school teacher running for the office of State Superintendent of Public Instruction. As a career educator, I know how much this election will affect our schools and our children. Your help is important and critical. A vote for me will demonstrate your passion and commitment to public education. With your continued support, we have a tremendous opportunity to be a force for real change in Arizona. My campaign asks all of us to take action to bring everyone together. We, as a community, must support our teachers and schools to guarantee that all children receive a free and excellent public education. I believe that we can no longer allow the politicians to make mistakes for our children. The challenges that exist in Arizona's public schools today can and will be fixed, but not by a politician. I appreciate all your past support, which is why I am asking for your vote in the Democratic primary election on September 12th. Please send e-mails, make phone calls, and talk to your family, friends, neighbors, and colleagues over the coming weekend to secure their support and votes for my candidacy. I want to again express my gratitude. Together, we will ensure new leadership, a new perspective, and new thinking at the State Department of Education. And, we will work with our great Governor to continue moving Arizona forward, by moving all of our children forward! With hope and determination, Jason Williams Visit our website and take action before it's too late... Voice of Support Gene C. Blue President/CEO Arizona OIC "Jason Williams cares about our children. He is committed to getting things done. I am proud to stand with Jason Williams for today, for tomorrow and for the betterment of our public education system." Other voices of support on our website... Quick Links... Make A Contribution! Forward This Week's E-Newsletter To A Friend! E-mail Jason Visit Our Website Join our mailing list! email: helpkids at williamsforarizona.com phone: 602-795-4734 web: http://www.williamsforarizona.com Forward email This email was sent to malka16 at cox.net, by helpkids at williamsforarizona.com Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe T | Privacy Policy . Powered by Paid for by the Committee to Elect Jason Williams | P.O. Box 33395 | Phoenix | AZ | 85067-3395 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060909/decbbf3c/attachment.html From malka16 at cox.net Sat Sep 9 19:31:26 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:31:26 -0700 Subject: Vote Jason Williams References: <20060910020954.OUZJ6077.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <022301c6d481$37c45040$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> A Few Days To Go...Why thank you kind sir! :-) VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Murray To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Vote Jason Williams LOL Welcome home W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle Steinberg Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:58 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Vote Jason Williams VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com Campaign Update E-Newsletter September 7, 2006 Dear Friend, Who should lead Arizona's schools: another politician or an experienced educator? Primary Election Countdown: Days before we elect Jason Williams, an experienced educator, as our next State Superintendent Early Voting (August 10th): IN PROGRESS Primary Election (September 12th): 5 DAYS General Election (November 7th): 61 DAYS in this issue ? Voice of Support ? Message from Jason Williams Message from Jason Williams Over the last 18 months I have visited with thousands of voters across the State of Arizona. Traveling thousands of miles in my yellow school bus, I have listened carefully to students, parents, teachers, business leaders, and community activists. Local communities statewide now share my vision of educational equity and excellence for all children. The citizens of Arizona know that I am the only public school teacher running for the office of State Superintendent of Public Instruction. As a career educator, I know how much this election will affect our schools and our children. Your help is important and critical. A vote for me will demonstrate your passion and commitment to public education. With your continued support, we have a tremendous opportunity to be a force for real change in Arizona. My campaign asks all of us to take action to bring everyone together. We, as a community, must support our teachers and schools to guarantee that all children receive a free and excellent public education. I believe that we can no longer allow the politicians to make mistakes for our children. The challenges that exist in Arizona's public schools today can and will be fixed, but not by a politician. I appreciate all your past support, which is why I am asking for your vote in the Democratic primary election on September 12th. Please send e-mails, make phone calls, and talk to your family, friends, neighbors, and colleagues over the coming weekend to secure their support and votes for my candidacy. I want to again express my gratitude. Together, we will ensure new leadership, a new perspective, and new thinking at the State Department of Education. And, we will work with our great Governor to continue moving Arizona forward, by moving all of our children forward! With hope and determination, Jason Williams Visit our website and take action before it's too late... Voice of Support Gene C. Blue President/CEO Arizona OIC "Jason Williams cares about our children. He is committed to getting things done. I am proud to stand with Jason Williams for today, for tomorrow and for the betterment of our public education system." Other voices of support on our website... Quick Links... Make A Contribution! Forward This Week's E-Newsletter To A Friend! E-mail Jason Visit Our Website Join our mailing list! email: helpkids at williamsforarizona.com phone: 602-795-4734 web: http://www.williamsforarizona.com Forward email This email was sent to malka16 at cox.net, by helpkids at williamsforarizona.com Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. Powered by Paid for by the Committee to Elect Jason Williams | P.O. Box 33395 | Phoenix | AZ | 85067-3395 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/bdfdc7f2/attachment.html From mjfritz at cox.net Sun Sep 10 01:13:50 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:13:50 -0700 Subject: PROP 207 References: <010901c6d4ab$1fd47030$6601a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <027001c6d4b1$0c6c6c90$dc31b046@Matthew> I can tell you that the Phoenix Police & Fire are opposed to it. It removes many local ordinances of public safety and places them in the hands of high powered lobbyist and special interests groups at the state level. I've heard that, environmentally, if passed it will be more difficult to enforce laws that limit irresponsible development. Lastly, I've heard that if passed it can be damaging to the limits of communities; such as historic neighborhoods. It was explained that governments can be forced to pay speculators for alleged value losses or waive zoning laws and rules for them specifically. Meaning, communities loose the battle against density control, preservation of historic buildings, future neighborhood preservation codes, neighborhood business hours or types of businesses, new building heights, etc. I guess it's a real blow to us tax payers. That's all I've heard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: PROP 207 Can someone PLEASE.....explain prop 207 to me or give me their opinions, I am so confused on this topic and how this prop is written. I am extremely PRO personal property rights but I have also heard that this prop is pro personal rights cloaked in darkness. Anywone?? This is suppossed to be a heated topic coming up with the election. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/aab2224e/attachment.html From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 02:10:39 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:10:39 -0700 Subject: PROP 207 In-Reply-To: <010901c6d4ab$1fd47030$6601a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: I have been so afraid to speak my opinions about any of the propositions on this list because of the 'no politics' rule that the board has mentioned about this list. But since politics have already been brought up twice today.. and considering the GCNA doesn't actually have the 501c3 to lose right now, I figure it's okay for me to respond. Please, if you have issues with it, take it up with me via personal e-mail and not the list. That being said: You can find the entire text of Proposition 207 at http://www.noprop207.org/prop207_text.pdf I think that the website www.noprop207.org has some very good points. Then again the pro-207 website http://www.hopeforarizona.com also has some good points. On one hand, if the proposition is passed it will put specifics on the term "eminent domain" which will stop the government from taking private property from one person and turning it over to someone else soley because the new person can make more money off of it. It also redefines "just compensation" to include loss of property value from the time of purchase to the time of government seizure. This way, if the government does something to the surrounding area of your property that makes it less valuable than the time you purchased it, they are forced to compensate you for the entire amount the property was worth at the time of purchase. On the other hand, who pays these higher forms of 'just compensation'? Us, the tax payers. It was researched that after passing the same proposition in Oregon the tax payers are facing some $4 billion in payouts so far this year. The proposition would also regulate the governments say in ordinances that involve things like liquor stores, bars and adult entertainment activities. The Arizona police department is strongly against prop 207 and they say it will greatly reduce our ability to protect our neighborhoods. With no goverment backing, we as a neighborhood would have little say in what types of businesses are allowed to be built in our neighborhood. I believe with all of my research that I will be voting No on 207. They really show no evidence of how often the government utilizes their right to take private property and give it to another private owner because they will make more money off of it. I've never heard of something like that happening. Maybe I'm just never informed of these events, whatever. It would be nice to see people get fully compensated for their losses, but I'm not sure I want to be the one who does it. Entrepreneurship is meant to be a gamble anyway, isn't it?? ----- While we're on the subject of propositions.. I think I will add that I am in full support of Prop 204 (Humane Farms) which contrary to the claims of the "hogwash" people, is fully backed by several animal welfare groups local to Arizona and is not just implemented by outside sources like PETA (who I am not in complete agreement with). Frankly I think that some of the claims made by the anti-prop204 people are stupid and that they are just trying anything they can to keep their inhumane systems for animals on industrial farms. Prop 204 is against the inhumane treatment of animals by industrial farms. It's that simple. Basically it regulates the standards for how much room the animals have to move and how clean the living areas need to be kept. So I say VOTE YES ON 204. I also will be voting YES on Prop 201 - The Smoke Free Arizona prop, which will keep smoking prohibited in public places like restaurants, schools, and other places that children may be present. I say NO on 103 which limits English as the official language and will force spanish speaking children to learn English before continuing with their schooling (which I personally think will cause less learning by Spanish speaking children). I also say NO on 200 (the voter reward act) because it encourages people to vote whether or not they know anything about what they are voting on. This could be very hazardous becuase people could very well be voting no on something they really either have no opinion on or if they looked into it further would be saying yes. Why turn our voting process into a "no purchace necessary" sweepstakes?? I'm voting YES on Prop 202 (higher minimum wage) because I would like to help out my friends who are barely making it by with less than minimum wage (waiters get paid less than minimum wage because they are expected to make up the rest in tips, not accounting for the fact that some tippers are just cheapskates). By the way, the Arizona Chamber of Commerse is against this prop because it supposedly cuts on buisnesses being able to cut benefits (though through my experience, businesses who pay minimum wage don't offer very many benefits to begin with) however they ARE in favor of raising their OWN salaries (hmmm). And for that I say VOTE NO ON 302, the proposed salary raise for Arizona legislators. Why should they have more more money when they think others shouldn't?? I say NO on 205 which forces all voting to be done via mail and eliminates the polling place all together. I enjoy going to the polling place, first of all. And I have friends who aren't in a position to recieve all of their mail, what would happen if they don't get their ballot in the mail? They wouldn't be able to vote! Lastly, I say VOTE NO ON 107, and for the love of God I can't stress this enough. This is the "Protect Marriage Arizona" proposition. They plan to take away the domestic partnership benefits in Arizona. These benefits help children, families and seniors. The pro 107 people are mainly focusing their efforts on 'punishing' gay relationships. Their website includes articles with titles such as "Experts: Gay Marriage Would Destroy Schools" (WTF, where are they getting this crap!?!?) and "New Study Proves Gay Marriage a Threat To Arizona's Families" (I guess they've decided that gay people can't have families). I realize it's a controversial topic but really, can we get more biggotted here? They actually have a campaign going with the title of "Take the Straight Arizona Pledge". To me, this is appearing very close to the racial arguments of the 50's. Should we be forcing gays to the back of the bus now? While they are so heated on their anti-gay beliefs they are missing the fact that passing this proposition will not only affect gay couples buy unmarried heterosexuals as well. From www.noprop107.com: "Currently cities such as Phoenix, Tucson, Scottsdale and Tempe offer domestic partnership benefits as do businesses such as Intel and Chase. The "Protect Marriage Arizona" Amendment will take away these benefits which are vital to children, families and seniors throughout the state. Over 100,000 Arizonans could lose their health insurance benefits, hospital visitations, the power to make decisions for loved ones in the case of an emergency and inheritance rights if the amendment passes. Under the guise of "protecting marriage" this amendment could take away unmarried Arizonans' right to file domestic violence charges or to secure a restraining order against their partner. This dangerous amendment is backed and financed by extreme groups. The "Protect Marriage Arizona" Amendment will not change state law. Same-sex marriage is already against state law. The "Protect Marriage Arizona" Amendment is the anti-domestic partner benefits initiative and it goes TOO FAR and takes away rights of many couples - regardless of their sexual orientation." Okay, perhaps I got carried away on that one but I went to pull some research for my point and I hadn't seen their hateful website before. Needless to say I am fully against this proposition and I really hope the homophobic voters can get past their hatred for a moment to see that this affects much more than the gay community. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jo Clute" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: PROP 207 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:31:25 -0700 Can someone PLEASE.....explain prop 207 to me or give me their opinions, I am so confused on this topic and how this prop is written. I am extremely PRO personal property rights but I have also heard that this prop is pro personal rights cloaked in darkness. Anywone?? This is suppossed to be a heated topic coming up with the election. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 02:32:50 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:32:50 -0700 Subject: Prop 300 In-Reply-To: <010901c6d4ab$1fd47030$6601a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: I've been researching the props that I hadn't already heard about (because I finally found a list of props) and wanted to also share that I will be voting NO on prop 300 because it states that illegal immigrants, even though they live in the state, would not be elligible for in-state tuition in Arizona schools. I realize they're trying to make it as uncomfortable as possible for the illegal immigrants, and I don't want to get into a heated discussion about whether they should or shouldn't be here, but de we really want to limit their abilities to learn?? From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 02:34:02 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:34:02 -0700 Subject: Info on Ballet Propositions In-Reply-To: <010901c6d4ab$1fd47030$6601a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: By the way, that list of propositions and their info that I've been reading can be found at http://www.azleg.state.az.us/2006_Ballot_Proposition_Analyses For those interested in researching the propositions and forming their own opinions. -Ivana From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 03:52:28 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:52:28 -0700 Subject: My reply to the Prop 207 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For some reason it's been almost 2 hours now and I haven't seen my reply to Jody on the Prop 207 topic. My other two e-mails, which I wrote after, have come through but not that one. If it doesn't go through and you're interested in reading my thoughts on 207 as well as most of the other propositions I have posted a copy of that post (and then some) to my Livejournal which can be found at http://hazeymarie.livejournal.com -Ivana From tjvick at cox.net Sun Sep 10 10:19:17 2006 From: tjvick at cox.net (tjvick at cox.net) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:19:17 -0700 Subject: PROP 207 Message-ID: <5923459.1157908757692.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> Ivana, Thank you for your input--really was helpful to me. I probably would not have educated myself so thoroughly had you not provided all the info. TJ ---- Ivana Olson wrote: ============= I have been so afraid to speak my opinions about any of the propositions on this list because of the 'no politics' rule that the board has mentioned about this list. But since politics have already been brought up twice today.. and considering the GCNA doesn't actually have the 501c3 to lose right now, I figure it's okay for me to respond. Please, if you have issues with it, take it up with me via personal e-mail and not the list. That being said: You can find the entire text of Proposition 207 at http://www.noprop207.org/prop207_text.pdf I think that the website www.noprop207.org has some very good points. Then again the pro-207 website http://www.hopeforarizona.com also has some good points. On one hand, if the proposition is passed it will put specifics on the term "eminent domain" which will stop the government from taking private property from one person and turning it over to someone else soley because the new person can make more money off of it. It also redefines "just compensation" to include loss of property value from the time of purchase to the time of government seizure. This way, if the government does something to the surrounding area of your property that makes it less valuable than the time you purchased it, they are forced to compensate you for the entire amount the property was worth at the time of purchase. On the other hand, who pays these higher forms of 'just compensation'? Us, the tax payers. It was researched that after passing the same proposition in Oregon the tax payers are facing some $4 billion in payouts so far this year. The proposition would also regulate the governments say in ordinances that involve things like liquor stores, bars and adult entertainment activities. The Arizona police department is strongly against prop 207 and they say it will greatly reduce our ability to protect our neighborhoods. With no goverment backing, we as a neighborhood would have little say in what types of businesses are allowed to be built in our neighborhood. I believe with all of my research that I will be voting No on 207. They really show no evidence of how often the government utilizes their right to take private property and give it to another private owner because they will make more money off of it. I've never heard of something like that happening. Maybe I'm just never informed of these events, whatever. It would be nice to see people get fully compensated for their losses, but I'm not sure I want to be the one who does it. Entrepreneurship is meant to be a gamble anyway, isn't it?? ----- While we're on the subject of propositions.. I think I will add that I am in full support of Prop 204 (Humane Farms) which contrary to the claims of the "hogwash" people, is fully backed by several animal welfare groups local to Arizona and is not just implemented by outside sources like PETA (who I am not in complete agreement with). Frankly I think that some of the claims made by the anti-prop204 people are stupid and that they are just trying anything they can to keep their inhumane systems for animals on industrial farms. Prop 204 is against the inhumane treatment of animals by industrial farms. It's that simple. Basically it regulates the standards for how much room the animals have to move and how clean the living areas need to be kept. So I say VOTE YES ON 204. I also will be voting YES on Prop 201 - The Smoke Free Arizona prop, which will keep smoking prohibited in public places like restaurants, schools, and other places that children may be present. I say NO on 103 which limits English as the official language and will force spanish speaking children to learn English before continuing with their schooling (which I personally think will cause less learning by Spanish speaking children). I also say NO on 200 (the voter reward act) because it encourages people to vote whether or not they know anything about what they are voting on. This could be very hazardous becuase people could very well be voting no on something they really either have no opinion on or if they looked into it further would be saying yes. Why turn our voting process into a "no purchace necessary" sweepstakes?? I'm voting YES on Prop 202 (higher minimum wage) because I would like to help out my friends who are barely making it by with less than minimum wage (waiters get paid less than minimum wage because they are expected to make up the rest in tips, not accounting for the fact that some tippers are just cheapskates). By the way, the Arizona Chamber of Commerse is against this prop because it supposedly cuts on buisnesses being able to cut benefits (though through my experience, businesses who pay minimum wage don't offer very many benefits to begin with) however they ARE in favor of raising their OWN salaries (hmmm). And for that I say VOTE NO ON 302, the proposed salary raise for Arizona legislators. Why should they have more more money when they think others shouldn't?? I say NO on 205 which forces all voting to be done via mail and eliminates the polling place all together. I enjoy going to the polling place, first of all. And I have friends who aren't in a position to recieve all of their mail, what would happen if they don't get their ballot in the mail? They wouldn't be able to vote! Lastly, I say VOTE NO ON 107, and for the love of God I can't stress this enough. This is the "Protect Marriage Arizona" proposition. They plan to take away the domestic partnership benefits in Arizona. These benefits help children, families and seniors. The pro 107 people are mainly focusing their efforts on 'punishing' gay relationships. Their website includes articles with titles such as "Experts: Gay Marriage Would Destroy Schools" (WTF, where are they getting this crap!?!?) and "New Study Proves Gay Marriage a Threat To Arizona's Families" (I guess they've decided that gay people can't have families). I realize it's a controversial topic but really, can we get more biggotted here? They actually have a campaign going with the title of "Take the Straight Arizona Pledge". To me, this is appearing very close to the racial arguments of the 50's. Should we be forcing gays to the back of the bus now? While they are so heated on their anti-gay beliefs they are missing the fact that passing this proposition will not only affect gay couples buy unmarried heterosexuals as well. From www.noprop107.com: "Currently cities such as Phoenix, Tucson, Scottsdale and Tempe offer domestic partnership benefits as do businesses such as Intel and Chase. The "Protect Marriage Arizona" Amendment will take away these benefits which are vital to children, families and seniors throughout the state. Over 100,000 Arizonans could lose their health insurance benefits, hospital visitations, the power to make decisions for loved ones in the case of an emergency and inheritance rights if the amendment passes. Under the guise of "protecting marriage" this amendment could take away unmarried Arizonans' right to file domestic violence charges or to secure a restraining order against their partner. This dangerous amendment is backed and financed by extreme groups. The "Protect Marriage Arizona" Amendment will not change state law. Same-sex marriage is already against state law. The "Protect Marriage Arizona" Amendment is the anti-domestic partner benefits initiative and it goes TOO FAR and takes away rights of many couples - regardless of their sexual orientation." Okay, perhaps I got carried away on that one but I went to pull some research for my point and I hadn't seen their hateful website before. Needless to say I am fully against this proposition and I really hope the homophobic voters can get past their hatred for a moment to see that this affects much more than the gay community. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jo Clute" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: PROP 207 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:31:25 -0700 Can someone PLEASE.....explain prop 207 to me or give me their opinions, I am so confused on this topic and how this prop is written. I am extremely PRO personal property rights but I have also heard that this prop is pro personal rights cloaked in darkness. Anywone?? This is suppossed to be a heated topic coming up with the election. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -- Kindness matters From malka16 at cox.net Sun Sep 10 11:26:59 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: PROP 207 References: <010901c6d4ab$1fd47030$6601a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <030c01c6d506$b470f6e0$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> http://www.noprop207.org/index.htm http://www.hopeforarizona.com/ these are the two websites re: Prop 207 In my opinion, MJ is right in her assessment VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: PROP 207 Can someone PLEASE.....explain prop 207 to me or give me their opinions, I am so confused on this topic and how this prop is written. I am extremely PRO personal property rights but I have also heard that this prop is pro personal rights cloaked in darkness. Anywone?? This is suppossed to be a heated topic coming up with the election. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/f4187aa2/attachment.html From malka16 at cox.net Sun Sep 10 11:46:40 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:46:40 -0700 Subject: Ballot Props References: Message-ID: <034301c6d509$74f0d500$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> Attached is a guide to the 2006 ballot props the AZ Advocacy Network put together that might be helpful. VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivana Olson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:52 AM Subject: My reply to the Prop 207 question > For some reason it's been almost 2 hours now and I haven't seen my reply > to > Jody on the Prop 207 topic. My other two e-mails, which I wrote after, > have > come through but not that one. > > If it doesn't go through and you're interested in reading my thoughts on > 207 > as well as most of the other propositions I have posted a copy of that > post > (and then some) to my Livejournal which can be found at > > http://hazeymarie.livejournal.com > > -Ivana > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A Guide to 2006 Ballot Propositions.doc Type: application/msword Size: 55808 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/abda6ef0/attachment.doc From josepi at doitnow.com Sun Sep 10 13:25:02 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:25:02 -0700 Subject: PROP 207 References: <010901c6d4ab$1fd47030$6601a8c0@JoClute> <030c01c6d506$b470f6e0$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <01ea01c6d517$5f613cd0$6601a8c0@JoClute> Michelle, I found this piece on prop 207 and I am under the impression that this is the actual text to the proposed amendment. Is this accurate? Most of the info I read on it, are interpretations or opinions of the outcomes but RARELY does anyone refer back to the actual-ver batum language used in the amendment. that is where I get confused. I am a fanatic about property rights-more especially my very own :-). A takings appeal is a very important right if you feel the government is "taking" value form your property" If you look at the referenced situations below, I remember reading about these situations in the newspaper and thinking wow, the gov sure is expanding their definition of "public use" and now condos are public use? what text in this amendment specifically is bad and what is the basis, in your opinion :-) (and I'll call ya later, too:-) fritz? what is your call on this? wayne? katie? AN INITIATIVE MEASURE AMENDING TITLE 12, CHAPTER 8, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING ARTICLE 2.1; RELATING TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT. Be it enacted by the People of the State of Arizona: Section 1. Short title This act may be cited as the "Private Property Rights Protection Act". Sec. 2. Findings and declarations A. The people of Arizona find and declare: 1. Article 2, section 17 of our State Constitution declares in no uncertain terms that private property shall not be taken for private use. 2. Our Constitution further provides that no person shall be deprived of property without due process of law. 3. Finally, our Constitution does not permit property to be taken or damaged without just compensation having first been made. 4. Notwithstanding these clear constitutional rights, the state and municipal governments of Arizona consistently encroach on the rights of private citizens to own and use their property, requiring the people of this State to seek redress in our state and federal courts which have not always adequately protected private property rights as demanded by the State and Federal Constitutions. For example: (a) A recent United States Supreme Court ruling, Kelo v. City of New London, allowed a city to exercise its power of eminent domain to take a citizen's home for the purpose of transferring control of the land to a private commercial developer. (b) The City of Mesa used eminent domain to acquire and bulldoze homes for a redevelopment project that included a hotel and water park. After the developer's financing fell through the project was abandoned and the property left vacant. (c) The City of Mesa filed condemnation actions against Randy Bailey, to take his family-owned brake shop, and Patrick Dennis, to take his auto-body shop, so that local business owners could relocate and expand a hardware store and an appliance store. (d) The City of Tempe instituted an eminent domain action to condemn the home of Kenneth and Mary Ann Pillow in order to transfer their property to a private developer who planned to build upscale townhomes. (e) The City of Chandler filed a condemnation action against a fast food restaurant in order to replace the fast-food restaurant with upscale dining and retail uses. (f) In the wake of the Kelo ruling, the City of Tempe recently sought to condemn property in an industrial park in order to make way for an enormous retail shopping mall. (g) The City of Tempe told the owners of an Apache Boulevard bowling alley that the City intended to condemn their property and specifically instructed them not to make further improvements to the land. Heeding Tempe's advice, the owners made no further improvements and ultimately lost bowling league contracts and went out of business. The Arizona Court of Appeals refused the owners' request for just compensation. (h) Courts have also allowed state and local governments to impose significant prohibitions and restrictions on the use of private property without compensating the owner for the economic loss of value to that property. 5. For home owners in designated slum or blighted areas, the compensation received when a primary residence is seized is not truly just as required by our state constitution. 6. Furthermore, even when property is taken for a valid public use, the judicial processes available to property owners to obtain just compensation are burdensome, costly and unfair. B. Having made the above findings, the people of Arizona declare that all property rights are fundamental rights and that all people have inalienable rights including the right to acquire, possess, control and protect property. Therefore the citizens of the State of Arizona hereby adopt the Private Property Rights Protection Act to ensure that Arizona citizens do not lose their home or property or lose the value of their home or property without just compensation. Whenever state and local governments take or diminish the value of private property, it is the intent of this act that the owner will receive just compensation, either by negotiation or by an efficient and fair judicial process. Sec. 3. Title 12, chapter 8, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding article 2.1, to read: Article 2.1. PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT 12-1131. PROPERTY MAY BE TAKEN ONLY FOR PUBLIC USE CONSISTENT WITH THIS ARTICLE EMINENT DOMAIN MAY BE EXERCISED ONLY IF THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN IS AUTHORIZED BY THIS STATE, WHETHER BY STATUTE OR OTHERWISE, AND FOR A PUBLIC USE AS DEFINED BY THIS ARTICLE. 12-1132. BURDEN OF PROOF A. IN ALL EMINENT DOMAIN ACTIONS THE JUDICIARY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE STATE CONSTITUTION'S MANDATE THAT WHENEVER AN ATTEMPT IS MADE TO TAKE PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR A USE ALLEGED TO BE PUBLIC, THE QUESTION WHETHER THE CONTEMPLATED USE BE REALLY PUBLIC SHALL BE A JUDICIAL QUESTION, AND DETERMINED AS SUCH WITHOUT REGARD TO ANY LEGISLATIVE ASSERTION THAT THE USE IS PUBLIC. B. IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE SHALL ESTABLISH BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT EACH PARCEL IS NECESSARY TO ELIMINATE A DIRECT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY CAUSED BY THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION OR USE, OR TO ACQUIRE ABANDONED PROPERTY AND THAT NO REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE TO CONDEMNATION EXISTS. 12-1133. JUST COMPENSATION; SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, IF PRIVATE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE IS TAKEN, THE OCCUPANTS SHALL BE PROVIDED A COMPARABLE REPLACEMENT DWELLING THAT IS DECENT, SAFE, AND SANITARY AS DEFINED IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL RELOCATION LAWS, SECTION 11-961 ET SEQ. AND 42 USC 4601 ET SEQ., AND THE REGULATIONS PROMULGATED THEREUNDER. AT THE OWNER'S ELECTION, IF MONETARY COMPENSATION IS DESIRED IN LIEU OF A REPLACEMENT DWELLING, THE AMOUNT OF JUST COMPENSATION THAT IS MADE AND DETERMINED FOR THAT TAKING SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN THE SUM OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO PURCHASE A COMPARABLE REPLACEMENT DWELLING THAT IS DECENT, SAFE, AND SANITARY AS DEFINED IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL RELOCATION LAWS AND REGULATIONS. 12-1134. DIMINUTION IN VALUE; JUST COMPENSATION A. IF THE EXISTING RIGHTS TO USE, DIVIDE, SELL OR POSSESS PRIVATE REAL PROPERTY ARE REDUCED BY THE ENACTMENT OR APPLICABILITY OF ANY LAND USE LAW ENACTED AFTER THE DATE THE PROPERTY IS TRANSFERRED TO THE OWNER AND SUCH ACTION REDUCES THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THE OWNER IS ENTITLED TO JUST COMPENSATION FROM THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW. B. THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO LAND USE LAWS THAT: 1. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT A USE OR DIVISION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH AND SAFETY, INCLUDING RULES AND REGULATIONS RELATING TO FIRE AND BUILDING CODES, HEALTH AND SANITATION, TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC CONTROL, SOLID OR HAZARDOUS WASTE, AND POLLUTION CONTROL; 2. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OR DIVISION OF REAL PROPERTY COMMONLY AND HISTORICALLY RECOGNIZED AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE UNDER COMMON LAW; 3. ARE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW; 4. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OR DIVISION OF A PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF HOUSING SEX OFFENDERS, SELLING ILLEGAL DRUGS, LIQUOR CONTROL, OR PORNOGRAPHY, OBSCENITY, NUDE OR TOPLESS DANCING, AND OTHER ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES IF THE LAND USE LAWS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTIONS OF THIS STATE AND THE UNITED STATES; 5. ESTABLISH LOCATIONS FOR UTILITY FACILITIES; 6. DO NOT DIRECTLY REGULATE AN OWNER'S LAND; OR 7. WERE ENACTED BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION. C. THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW HAS THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THAT THE LAND USE LAW IS EXEMPT PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION B. D. THE OWNER SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO FIRST SUBMIT A LAND USE APPLICATION TO REMOVE, MODIFY, VARY OR OTHERWISE ALTER THE APPLICATION OF THE LAND USE LAW TO THE OWNER'S PROPERTY AS A PREREQUISITE TO DEMANDING OR RECEIVING JUST COMPENSATION PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION. E. IF A LAND USE LAW CONTINUES TO APPLY TO PRIVATE REAL PROPERTY MORE THAN NINETY DAYS AFTER THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MAKES A WRITTEN DEMAND IN A SPECIFIC AMOUNT FOR JUST COMPENSATION TO THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW, THE OWNER HAS A CAUSE OF ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION IN A COURT IN THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UNLESS THIS STATE OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AND THE OWNER REACH AN AGREEMENT ON THE AMOUNT OF JUST COMPENSATION TO BE PAID, OR UNLESS THIS STATE OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AMENDS, REPEALS, OR ISSUES TO THE LANDOWNER A BINDING WAIVER OF ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW ON THE OWNER'S SPECIFIC PARCEL. F. ANY DEMAND FOR LANDOWNER RELIEF OR ANY WAIVER THAT IS GRANTED IN LIEU OF COMPENSATION RUNS WITH THE LAND. G. AN ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION BASED ON DIMINUTION IN VALUE MUST BE MADE OR FOREVER BARRED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE LAND USE LAW, OR OF THE FIRST DATE THE REDUCTION OF THE EXISTING RIGHTS TO USE, DIVIDE, SELL OR POSSESS PROPERTY APPLIES TO THE OWNER'S PARCEL, WHICHEVER IS LATER. H. THE REMEDY CREATED BY THIS SECTION IS IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER REMEDY THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE LAWS AND CONSTITUTION OF THIS STATE OR THE UNITED STATES AND IS NOT INTENDED TO MODIFY OR REPLACE ANY OTHER REMEDY. I. NOTHING IN THIS SECTION PROHIBITS THIS STATE OR ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE FROM REACHING AN AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO WAIVE A CLAIM FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE REGARDING ANY PROPOSED ACTION BY THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE OR ACTION REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. 12-1135. ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS A. A PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT LIABLE TO THIS STATE OR ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE FOR ATTORNEY FEES OR COSTS IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION OR IN ANY ACTION FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE. B. A PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE AWARDED REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES, COSTS AND EXPENSES IN EVERY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION IN WHICH THE TAKING IS FOUND TO BE NOT FOR A PUBLIC USE. C. IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, A PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE AWARDED REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES IN EVERY CASE IN WHICH THE FINAL AMOUNT OFFERED BY THE MUNICIPALITY WAS LESS THAN THE AMOUNT ASCERTAINED BY A JURY OR THE COURT IF A JURY IS WAIVED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. D. A PREVAILING PLAINTIFF IN AN ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION THAT IS BASED ON DIMINUTION IN VALUE PURSUANT TO SECTION 12-1134 MAY BE AWARDED COSTS, EXPENSES AND REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES. 12-1136. DEFINITIONS IN THIS ARTICLE, UNLESS THE CONTEXT OTHERWISE REQUIRES: 1. "FAIR MARKET VALUE" MEANS THE MOST LIKELY PRICE ESTIMATED IN TERMS OF MONEY WHICH THE LAND WOULD BRING IF EXPOSED FOR SALE IN THE OPEN MARKET, WITH REASONABLE TIME ALLOWED IN WHICH TO FIND A PURCHASER, BUYING WITH KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE USES AND PURPOSES TO WHICH IT IS ADAPTED AND FOR WHICH IT IS CAPABLE. 2. "JUST COMPENSATION" FOR PURPOSES OF AN ACTION FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE MEANS THE SUM OF MONEY THAT IS EQUAL TO THE REDUCTION IN FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY RESULTING FROM THE ENACTMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW AS OF THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW. 3. "LAND USE LAW" MEANS ANY STATUTE, RULE, ORDINANCE, RESOLUTION OR LAW ENACTED BY THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT REGULATES THE USE OR DIVISION OF LAND OR ANY INTEREST IN LAND OR THAT REGULATES ACCEPTED FARMING OR FORESTRY PRACTICES. 4. "OWNER" MEANS THE HOLDER OF FEE TITLE TO THE SUBJECT REAL PROPERTY. 5. "PUBLIC USE": (a) MEANS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (i) THE POSSESSION, OCCUPATION, AND ENJOYMENT OF THE LAND BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, OR BY PUBLIC AGENCIES; (ii) THE USE OF LAND FOR THE CREATION OR FUNCTIONING OF UTILITIES; (iii) THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY TO ELIMINATE A DIRECT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY CAUSED BY THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF A STRUCTURE THAT IS BEYOND REPAIR OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION OR USE; OR (iv) THE ACQUISITION OF ABANDONED PROPERTY. (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING AN INCREASE IN TAX BASE, TAX REVENUES, EMPLOYMENT OR GENERAL ECONOMIC HEALTH. 6. "TAKEN" AND "TAKING" MEAN THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OR USE FROM A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE OR TO ANY PERSON OTHER THAN THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE. 12-1137. APPLICABILITY IF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS ARTICLE AND ANY OTHER LAW ARISES, THIS ARTICLE CONTROLS. 12-1138. SEVERABILITY IF ANY PROVISION OF THIS ACT OR ITS APPLICATION TO ANY PERSON OR CIRCUMSTANCE IS HELD INVALID THAT INVALIDITY DOES NOT AFFECT OTHER PROVISIONS OR APPLICATIONS OF THE ACT THAT CAN BE GIVEN EFFECT WITHOUT THE INVALID PROVISION OR APPLICATION, AND TO THIS END THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ACT ARE SEVERABLE. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Steinberg To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: PROP 207 http://www.noprop207.org/index.htm http://www.hopeforarizona.com/ these are the two websites re: Prop 207 In my opinion, MJ is right in her assessment VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: PROP 207 Can someone PLEASE.....explain prop 207 to me or give me their opinions, I am so confused on this topic and how this prop is written. I am extremely PRO personal property rights but I have also heard that this prop is pro personal rights cloaked in darkness. Anywone?? This is suppossed to be a heated topic coming up with the election. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/08fb8803/attachment.html From wayne at xnar.com Sun Sep 10 14:05:57 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:05:57 -0700 Subject: PROP 207 In-Reply-To: <01ea01c6d517$5f613cd0$6601a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <20060910210600.YVZW22977.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Have not studied it yet..doing other stuff today. I have read if a few times and read some opinion I am not sure what it really does when it is implemented..enforced with the other laws on the books. "Private""Property Rights""Protection" Hummm..then it is a law????? Has all the right words Being a property owner, I am sensitive to this. As the wisdom of the collective from my view is usually based on lack of experience and utopian concepts at the cost of the individual. What do I know I am not too accepted by the collective....out of control component. "RECORD 24 Limit of Function Easter Cross It All Out I'm like a machine being run over its RPM limit: The bearings are overheating-a minute longer, and the metal is going to melt and start dripping and that'll be the end of everything. I need a quick splash of cold water, logic. I pour it on in buckets, but the logic hisses on the hot bearings and dissipates in the air as a fleeting white mist. Well, of course, it's clear that you can't establish a function without taking into account what its limit is. And it's also clear that what I felt yesterday, that stupid "dissolving in the universe," if you take it to its limit, is death, Because that's exactly what death is-the fullest possible dissolving of myself into the universe. Hence, if we let L stand for love and D for death, then L = f(D), i.e., love and death. . Yes, that's it, that's it. That's why I'm afraid....Tomorrow is the Day of Unanimity. _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Jo Clute Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:25 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: PROP 207 Michelle, I found this piece on prop 207 and I am under the impression that this is the actual text to the proposed amendment. Is this accurate? Most of the info I read on it, are interpretations or opinions of the outcomes but RARELY does anyone refer back to the actual-ver batum language used in the amendment. that is where I get confused. I am a fanatic about property rights-more especially my very own :-). A takings appeal is a very important right if you feel the government is "taking" value form your property" If you look at the referenced situations below, I remember reading about these situations in the newspaper and thinking wow, the gov sure is expanding their definition of "public use" and now condos are public use? what text in this amendment specifically is bad and what is the basis, in your opinion :-) (and I'll call ya later, too:-) fritz? what is your call on this? wayne? katie? AN INITIATIVE MEASURE AMENDING TITLE 12, CHAPTER 8, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING ARTICLE 2.1; RELATING TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT. Be it enacted by the People of the State of Arizona: Section 1. Short title This act may be cited as the "Private Property Rights Protection Act". Sec. 2. Findings and declarations A. The people of Arizona find and declare: 1. Article 2, section 17 of our State Constitution declares in no uncertain terms that private property shall not be taken for private use. 2. Our Constitution further provides that no person shall be deprived of property without due process of law. 3. Finally, our Constitution does not permit property to be taken or damaged without just compensation having first been made. 4. Notwithstanding these clear constitutional rights, the state and municipal governments of Arizona consistently encroach on the rights of private citizens to own and use their property, requiring the people of this State to seek redress in our state and federal courts which have not always adequately protected private property rights as demanded by the State and Federal Constitutions. For example: (a) A recent United States Supreme Court ruling, Kelo v. City of New London, allowed a city to exercise its power of eminent domain to take a citizen's home for the purpose of transferring control of the land to a private commercial developer. (b) The City of Mesa used eminent domain to acquire and bulldoze homes for a redevelopment project that included a hotel and water park. After the developer's financing fell through the project was abandoned and the property left vacant. (c) The City of Mesa filed condemnation actions against Randy Bailey, to take his family-owned brake shop, and Patrick Dennis, to take his auto-body shop, so that local business owners could relocate and expand a hardware store and an appliance store. (d) The City of Tempe instituted an eminent domain action to condemn the home of Kenneth and Mary Ann Pillow in order to transfer their property to a private developer who planned to build upscale townhomes. (e) The City of Chandler filed a condemnation action against a fast food restaurant in order to replace the fast-food restaurant with upscale dining and retail uses. (f) In the wake of the Kelo ruling, the City of Tempe recently sought to condemn property in an industrial park in order to make way for an enormous retail shopping mall. (g) The City of Tempe told the owners of an Apache Boulevard bowling alley that the City intended to condemn their property and specifically instructed them not to make further improvements to the land. Heeding Tempe's advice, the owners made no further improvements and ultimately lost bowling league contracts and went out of business. The Arizona Court of Appeals refused the owners' request for just compensation. (h) Courts have also allowed state and local governments to impose significant prohibitions and restrictions on the use of private property without compensating the owner for the economic loss of value to that property. 5. For home owners in designated slum or blighted areas, the compensation received when a primary residence is seized is not truly just as required by our state constitution. 6. Furthermore, even when property is taken for a valid public use, the judicial processes available to property owners to obtain just compensation are burdensome, costly and unfair. B. Having made the above findings, the people of Arizona declare that all property rights are fundamental rights and that all people have inalienable rights including the right to acquire, possess, control and protect property. Therefore the citizens of the State of Arizona hereby adopt the Private Property Rights Protection Act to ensure that Arizona citizens do not lose their home or property or lose the value of their home or property without just compensation. Whenever state and local governments take or diminish the value of private property, it is the intent of this act that the owner will receive just compensation, either by negotiation or by an efficient and fair judicial process. Sec. 3. Title 12, chapter 8, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding article 2.1, to read: Article 2.1. PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT 12-1131. PROPERTY MAY BE TAKEN ONLY FOR PUBLIC USE CONSISTENT WITH THIS ARTICLE EMINENT DOMAIN MAY BE EXERCISED ONLY IF THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN IS AUTHORIZED BY THIS STATE, WHETHER BY STATUTE OR OTHERWISE, AND FOR A PUBLIC USE AS DEFINED BY THIS ARTICLE. 12-1132. BURDEN OF PROOF A. IN ALL EMINENT DOMAIN ACTIONS THE JUDICIARY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE STATE CONSTITUTION'S MANDATE THAT WHENEVER AN ATTEMPT IS MADE TO TAKE PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR A USE ALLEGED TO BE PUBLIC, THE QUESTION WHETHER THE CONTEMPLATED USE BE REALLY PUBLIC SHALL BE A JUDICIAL QUESTION, AND DETERMINED AS SUCH WITHOUT REGARD TO ANY LEGISLATIVE ASSERTION THAT THE USE IS PUBLIC. B. IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE SHALL ESTABLISH BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT EACH PARCEL IS NECESSARY TO ELIMINATE A DIRECT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY CAUSED BY THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION OR USE, OR TO ACQUIRE ABANDONED PROPERTY AND THAT NO REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE TO CONDEMNATION EXISTS. 12-1133. JUST COMPENSATION; SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, IF PRIVATE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE IS TAKEN, THE OCCUPANTS SHALL BE PROVIDED A COMPARABLE REPLACEMENT DWELLING THAT IS DECENT, SAFE, AND SANITARY AS DEFINED IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL RELOCATION LAWS, SECTION 11-961 ET SEQ. AND 42 USC 4601 ET SEQ., AND THE REGULATIONS PROMULGATED THEREUNDER. AT THE OWNER'S ELECTION, IF MONETARY COMPENSATION IS DESIRED IN LIEU OF A REPLACEMENT DWELLING, THE AMOUNT OF JUST COMPENSATION THAT IS MADE AND DETERMINED FOR THAT TAKING SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN THE SUM OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO PURCHASE A COMPARABLE REPLACEMENT DWELLING THAT IS DECENT, SAFE, AND SANITARY AS DEFINED IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL RELOCATION LAWS AND REGULATIONS. 12-1134. DIMINUTION IN VALUE; JUST COMPENSATION A. IF THE EXISTING RIGHTS TO USE, DIVIDE, SELL OR POSSESS PRIVATE REAL PROPERTY ARE REDUCED BY THE ENACTMENT OR APPLICABILITY OF ANY LAND USE LAW ENACTED AFTER THE DATE THE PROPERTY IS TRANSFERRED TO THE OWNER AND SUCH ACTION REDUCES THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THE OWNER IS ENTITLED TO JUST COMPENSATION FROM THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW. B. THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO LAND USE LAWS THAT: 1. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT A USE OR DIVISION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH AND SAFETY, INCLUDING RULES AND REGULATIONS RELATING TO FIRE AND BUILDING CODES, HEALTH AND SANITATION, TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC CONTROL, SOLID OR HAZARDOUS WASTE, AND POLLUTION CONTROL; 2. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OR DIVISION OF REAL PROPERTY COMMONLY AND HISTORICALLY RECOGNIZED AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE UNDER COMMON LAW; 3. ARE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW; 4. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OR DIVISION OF A PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF HOUSING SEX OFFENDERS, SELLING ILLEGAL DRUGS, LIQUOR CONTROL, OR PORNOGRAPHY, OBSCENITY, NUDE OR TOPLESS DANCING, AND OTHER ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES IF THE LAND USE LAWS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTIONS OF THIS STATE AND THE UNITED STATES; 5. ESTABLISH LOCATIONS FOR UTILITY FACILITIES; 6. DO NOT DIRECTLY REGULATE AN OWNER'S LAND; OR 7. WERE ENACTED BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION. C. THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW HAS THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THAT THE LAND USE LAW IS EXEMPT PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION B. D. THE OWNER SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO FIRST SUBMIT A LAND USE APPLICATION TO REMOVE, MODIFY, VARY OR OTHERWISE ALTER THE APPLICATION OF THE LAND USE LAW TO THE OWNER'S PROPERTY AS A PREREQUISITE TO DEMANDING OR RECEIVING JUST COMPENSATION PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION. E. IF A LAND USE LAW CONTINUES TO APPLY TO PRIVATE REAL PROPERTY MORE THAN NINETY DAYS AFTER THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MAKES A WRITTEN DEMAND IN A SPECIFIC AMOUNT FOR JUST COMPENSATION TO THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW, THE OWNER HAS A CAUSE OF ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION IN A COURT IN THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UNLESS THIS STATE OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AND THE OWNER REACH AN AGREEMENT ON THE AMOUNT OF JUST COMPENSATION TO BE PAID, OR UNLESS THIS STATE OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AMENDS, REPEALS, OR ISSUES TO THE LANDOWNER A BINDING WAIVER OF ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW ON THE OWNER'S SPECIFIC PARCEL. F. ANY DEMAND FOR LANDOWNER RELIEF OR ANY WAIVER THAT IS GRANTED IN LIEU OF COMPENSATION RUNS WITH THE LAND. G. AN ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION BASED ON DIMINUTION IN VALUE MUST BE MADE OR FOREVER BARRED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE LAND USE LAW, OR OF THE FIRST DATE THE REDUCTION OF THE EXISTING RIGHTS TO USE, DIVIDE, SELL OR POSSESS PROPERTY APPLIES TO THE OWNER'S PARCEL, WHICHEVER IS LATER. H. THE REMEDY CREATED BY THIS SECTION IS IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER REMEDY THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE LAWS AND CONSTITUTION OF THIS STATE OR THE UNITED STATES AND IS NOT INTENDED TO MODIFY OR REPLACE ANY OTHER REMEDY. I. NOTHING IN THIS SECTION PROHIBITS THIS STATE OR ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE FROM REACHING AN AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO WAIVE A CLAIM FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE REGARDING ANY PROPOSED ACTION BY THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE OR ACTION REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. 12-1135. ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS A. A PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT LIABLE TO THIS STATE OR ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE FOR ATTORNEY FEES OR COSTS IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION OR IN ANY ACTION FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE. B. A PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE AWARDED REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES, COSTS AND EXPENSES IN EVERY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION IN WHICH THE TAKING IS FOUND TO BE NOT FOR A PUBLIC USE. C. IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, A PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE AWARDED REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES IN EVERY CASE IN WHICH THE FINAL AMOUNT OFFERED BY THE MUNICIPALITY WAS LESS THAN THE AMOUNT ASCERTAINED BY A JURY OR THE COURT IF A JURY IS WAIVED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. D. A PREVAILING PLAINTIFF IN AN ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION THAT IS BASED ON DIMINUTION IN VALUE PURSUANT TO SECTION 12-1134 MAY BE AWARDED COSTS, EXPENSES AND REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES. 12-1136. DEFINITIONS IN THIS ARTICLE, UNLESS THE CONTEXT OTHERWISE REQUIRES: 1. "FAIR MARKET VALUE" MEANS THE MOST LIKELY PRICE ESTIMATED IN TERMS OF MONEY WHICH THE LAND WOULD BRING IF EXPOSED FOR SALE IN THE OPEN MARKET, WITH REASONABLE TIME ALLOWED IN WHICH TO FIND A PURCHASER, BUYING WITH KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE USES AND PURPOSES TO WHICH IT IS ADAPTED AND FOR WHICH IT IS CAPABLE. 2. "JUST COMPENSATION" FOR PURPOSES OF AN ACTION FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE MEANS THE SUM OF MONEY THAT IS EQUAL TO THE REDUCTION IN FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY RESULTING FROM THE ENACTMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW AS OF THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW. 3. "LAND USE LAW" MEANS ANY STATUTE, RULE, ORDINANCE, RESOLUTION OR LAW ENACTED BY THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT REGULATES THE USE OR DIVISION OF LAND OR ANY INTEREST IN LAND OR THAT REGULATES ACCEPTED FARMING OR FORESTRY PRACTICES. 4. "OWNER" MEANS THE HOLDER OF FEE TITLE TO THE SUBJECT REAL PROPERTY. 5. "PUBLIC USE": (a) MEANS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (i) THE POSSESSION, OCCUPATION, AND ENJOYMENT OF THE LAND BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, OR BY PUBLIC AGENCIES; (ii) THE USE OF LAND FOR THE CREATION OR FUNCTIONING OF UTILITIES; (iii) THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY TO ELIMINATE A DIRECT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY CAUSED BY THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF A STRUCTURE THAT IS BEYOND REPAIR OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION OR USE; OR (iv) THE ACQUISITION OF ABANDONED PROPERTY. (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING AN INCREASE IN TAX BASE, TAX REVENUES, EMPLOYMENT OR GENERAL ECONOMIC HEALTH. 6. "TAKEN" AND "TAKING" MEAN THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OR USE FROM A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE OR TO ANY PERSON OTHER THAN THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE. 12-1137. APPLICABILITY IF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS ARTICLE AND ANY OTHER LAW ARISES, THIS ARTICLE CONTROLS. 12-1138. SEVERABILITY IF ANY PROVISION OF THIS ACT OR ITS APPLICATION TO ANY PERSON OR CIRCUMSTANCE IS HELD INVALID THAT INVALIDITY DOES NOT AFFECT OTHER PROVISIONS OR APPLICATIONS OF THE ACT THAT CAN BE GIVEN EFFECT WITHOUT THE INVALID PROVISION OR APPLICATION, AND TO THIS END THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ACT ARE SEVERABLE. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Steinberg To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: PROP 207 http://www.noprop207.org/index.htm http://www.hopeforarizona.com/ these are the two websites re: Prop 207 In my opinion, MJ is right in her assessment VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: PROP 207 Can someone PLEASE.....explain prop 207 to me or give me their opinions, I am so confused on this topic and how this prop is written. I am extremely PRO personal property rights but I have also heard that this prop is pro personal rights cloaked in darkness. Anywone?? This is suppossed to be a heated topic coming up with the election. _____ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _____ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 6554 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/fd6db00c/attachment.jpe From malka16 at cox.net Sun Sep 10 15:07:46 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:07:46 -0700 Subject: PROP 207 References: <010901c6d4ab$1fd47030$6601a8c0@JoClute><030c01c6d506$b470f6e0$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> <01ea01c6d517$5f613cd0$6601a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <042c01c6d525$8cdd56e0$fae5e344@yourtwa0macjqu> Yes, that is the text of the actual proposition which would amend the AZ constitution the bolded language is in the current AZ Constitution (which already states that property cannot be taken for private use) - everything in CAPS is new language that would added to the AZ Constitution if 207 passed. I added some explanation in bold under the proposed language. The reason it is a bad idea is that it pretends to guard against eminent domain problems, but in reality it is an extremely expensive, confusing and bureaucratic measure that forces governments to pay speculators for alleged value losses or waive zoning laws and rules for them. Our taxes would be paid to special interests simply because those interests must comply with laws that protect our homes, our property and our communities. Prop. 207 is primarily a project of out-of-state speculators who have pumped millions into getting this on the ballot - from: http://dpatterson.blogspot.com/2006/08/no-on-az-prop-207-dishonest-developer.html If the framers of this prop were truly concerned about protecting property rights, they would have made the language clear regarding gov'ts right to seize property, which they have not done. They say" Prop 207 will stop local governments from using eminent domain to take private property for private development in order to generate more tax revenue." this language is already in our constitution scroll down for more AN INITIATIVE MEASURE AMENDING TITLE 12, CHAPTER 8, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING ARTICLE 2.1; RELATING TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT. Be it enacted by the People of the State of Arizona: Section 1. Short title This act may be cited as the "Private Property Rights Protection Act". Sec. 2. Findings and declarations A. The people of Arizona find and declare: 1. Article 2, section 17 of our State Constitution declares in no uncertain terms that private property shall not be taken for private use. 2. Our Constitution further provides that no person shall be deprived of property without due process of law. 3. Finally, our Constitution does not permit property to be taken or damaged without just compensation having first been made. 4. Notwithstanding these clear constitutional rights, the state and municipal governments of Arizona consistently encroach on the rights of private citizens to own and use their property, requiring the people of this State to seek redress in our state and federal courts which have not always adequately protected private property rights as demanded by the State and Federal Constitutions. For example: (a) A recent United States Supreme Court ruling, Kelo v. City of New London, allowed a city to exercise its power of eminent domain to take a citizen's home for the purpose of transferring control of the land to a private commercial developer. (b) The City of Mesa used eminent domain to acquire and bulldoze homes for a redevelopment project that included a hotel and water park. After the developer's financing fell through the project was abandoned and the property left vacant. (c) The City of Mesa filed condemnation actions against Randy Bailey, to take his family-owned brake shop, and Patrick Dennis, to take his auto-body shop, so that local business owners could relocate and expand a hardware store and an appliance store. (d) The City of Tempe instituted an eminent domain action to condemn the home of Kenneth and Mary Ann Pillow in order to transfer their property to a private developer who planned to build upscale townhomes. (e) The City of Chandler filed a condemnation action against a fast food restaurant in order to replace the fast-food restaurant with upscale dining and retail uses. (f) In the wake of the Kelo ruling, the City of Tempe recently sought to condemn property in an industrial park in order to make way for an enormous retail shopping mall. (g) The City of Tempe told the owners of an Apache Boulevard bowling alley that the City intended to condemn their property and specifically instructed them not to make further improvements to the land. Heeding Tempe's advice, the owners made no further improvements and ultimately lost bowling league contracts and went out of business. The Arizona Court of Appeals refused the owners' request for just compensation. (h) Courts have also allowed state and local governments to impose significant prohibitions and restrictions on the use of private property without compensating the owner for the economic loss of value to that property. 5. For home owners in designated slum or blighted areas, the compensation received when a primary residence is seized is not truly just as required by our state constitution. 6. Furthermore, even when property is taken for a valid public use, the judicial processes available to property owners to obtain just compensation are burdensome, costly and unfair. B. Having made the above findings, the people of Arizona declare that all property rights are fundamental rights and that all people have inalienable rights including the right to acquire, possess, control and protect property. Therefore the citizens of the State of Arizona hereby adopt the Private Property Rights Protection Act to ensure that Arizona citizens do not lose their home or property or lose the value of their home or property without just compensation. Whenever state and local governments take or diminish the value of private property, it is the intent of this act that the owner will receive just compensation, either by negotiation or by an efficient and fair judicial process. Sec. 3. Title 12, chapter 8, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding article 2.1, to read: Article 2.1. PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT 12-1131. PROPERTY MAY BE TAKEN ONLY FOR PUBLIC USE CONSISTENT WITH THIS ARTICLE EMINENT DOMAIN MAY BE EXERCISED ONLY IF THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN IS AUTHORIZED BY THIS STATE, WHETHER BY STATUTE OR OTHERWISE, AND FOR A PUBLIC USE AS DEFINED BY THIS ARTICLE. 12-1132. BURDEN OF PROOF A. IN ALL EMINENT DOMAIN ACTIONS THE JUDICIARY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE STATE CONSTITUTION'S MANDATE THAT WHENEVER AN ATTEMPT IS MADE TO TAKE PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR A USE ALLEGED TO BE PUBLIC, THE QUESTION WHETHER THE CONTEMPLATED USE BE REALLY PUBLIC SHALL BE A JUDICIAL QUESTION, AND DETERMINED AS SUCH WITHOUT REGARD TO ANY LEGISLATIVE ASSERTION THAT THE USE IS PUBLIC. Judicial - not legislative determination that the property taken is indeed for PUBLIC use. B. IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE SHALL ESTABLISH BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT EACH PARCEL IS NECESSARY TO ELIMINATE A DIRECT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY CAUSED BY THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION OR USE, OR TO ACQUIRE ABANDONED PROPERTY AND THAT NO REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE TO CONDEMNATION EXISTS. when the taking is for slum clearance, they have to produce actual evidence that there is a threat 12-1133. JUST COMPENSATION; SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, IF PRIVATE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE IS TAKEN, THE OCCUPANTS SHALL BE PROVIDED A COMPARABLE REPLACEMENT DWELLING THAT IS DECENT, SAFE, AND SANITARY AS DEFINED IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL RELOCATION LAWS, SECTION 11-961 ET SEQ. AND 42 USC 4601 ET SEQ., AND THE REGULATIONS PROMULGATED THEREUNDER. AT THE OWNER'S ELECTION, IF MONETARY COMPENSATION IS DESIRED IN LIEU OF A REPLACEMENT DWELLING, THE AMOUNT OF JUST COMPENSATION THAT IS MADE AND DETERMINED FOR THAT TAKING SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN THE SUM OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO PURCHASE A COMPARABLE REPLACEMENT DWELLING THAT IS DECENT, SAFE, AND SANITARY AS DEFINED IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL RELOCATION LAWS AND REGULATIONS. the gov has to either provide a "comparable replacement dwelling"??? or $ to purchase a comparable dweeling 12-1134. DIMINUTION IN VALUE; JUST COMPENSATION - big concern A. IF THE EXISTING RIGHTS TO USE, DIVIDE, SELL OR POSSESS PRIVATE REAL PROPERTY ARE REDUCED BY THE ENACTMENT OR APPLICABILITY OF ANY LAND USE LAW ENACTED AFTER THE DATE THE PROPERTY IS TRANSFERRED TO THE OWNER AND SUCH ACTION REDUCES THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THE OWNER IS ENTITLED TO JUST COMPENSATION FROM THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW. This is the section that creates much concern as developers who aquire land can expect to be compensated if the property value is reduced after they purchase it. B. THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO LAND USE LAWS THAT: 1. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT A USE OR DIVISION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH AND SAFETY, INCLUDING RULES AND REGULATIONS RELATING TO FIRE AND BUILDING CODES, HEALTH AND SANITATION, TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC CONTROL, SOLID OR HAZARDOUS WASTE, AND POLLUTION CONTROL; 2. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OR DIVISION OF REAL PROPERTY COMMONLY AND HISTORICALLY RECOGNIZED AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE UNDER COMMON LAW; 3. ARE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW; 4. LIMIT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OR DIVISION OF A PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF HOUSING SEX OFFENDERS, SELLING ILLEGAL DRUGS, LIQUOR CONTROL, OR PORNOGRAPHY, OBSCENITY, NUDE OR TOPLESS DANCING, AND OTHER ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES IF THE LAND USE LAWS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTIONS OF THIS STATE AND THE UNITED STATES; 5. ESTABLISH LOCATIONS FOR UTILITY FACILITIES; 6. DO NOT DIRECTLY REGULATE AN OWNER'S LAND; OR 7. WERE ENACTED BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION. C. THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW HAS THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THAT THE LAND USE LAW IS EXEMPT PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION B. D. THE OWNER SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO FIRST SUBMIT A LAND USE APPLICATION TO REMOVE, MODIFY, VARY OR OTHERWISE ALTER THE APPLICATION OF THE LAND USE LAW TO THE OWNER'S PROPERTY AS A PREREQUISITE TO DEMANDING OR RECEIVING JUST COMPENSATION PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION. scary E. IF A LAND USE LAW CONTINUES TO APPLY TO PRIVATE REAL PROPERTY MORE THAN NINETY DAYS AFTER THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MAKES A WRITTEN DEMAND IN A SPECIFIC AMOUNT FOR JUST COMPENSATION TO THIS STATE OR THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ENACTED THE LAND USE LAW, THE OWNER HAS A CAUSE OF ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION IN A COURT IN THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UNLESS THIS STATE OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AND THE OWNER REACH AN AGREEMENT ON THE AMOUNT OF JUST COMPENSATION TO BE PAID, OR UNLESS THIS STATE OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AMENDS, REPEALS, OR ISSUES TO THE LANDOWNER A BINDING WAIVER OF ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW ON THE OWNER'S SPECIFIC PARCEL. F. ANY DEMAND FOR LANDOWNER RELIEF OR ANY WAIVER THAT IS GRANTED IN LIEU OF COMPENSATION RUNS WITH THE LAND. G. AN ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION BASED ON DIMINUTION IN VALUE MUST BE MADE OR FOREVER BARRED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE LAND USE LAW, OR OF THE FIRST DATE THE REDUCTION OF THE EXISTING RIGHTS TO USE, DIVIDE, SELL OR POSSESS PROPERTY APPLIES TO THE OWNER'S PARCEL, WHICHEVER IS LATER. H. THE REMEDY CREATED BY THIS SECTION IS IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER REMEDY THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE LAWS AND CONSTITUTION OF THIS STATE OR THE UNITED STATES AND IS NOT INTENDED TO MODIFY OR REPLACE ANY OTHER REMEDY. I. NOTHING IN THIS SECTION PROHIBITS THIS STATE OR ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE FROM REACHING AN AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO WAIVE A CLAIM FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE REGARDING ANY PROPOSED ACTION BY THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE OR ACTION REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. 12-1135. ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS A. A PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT LIABLE TO THIS STATE OR ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE FOR ATTORNEY FEES OR COSTS IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION OR IN ANY ACTION FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE. scarier B. A PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE AWARDED REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES, COSTS AND EXPENSES IN EVERY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION IN WHICH THE TAKING IS FOUND TO BE NOT FOR A PUBLIC USE. C. IN ANY EMINENT DOMAIN ACTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLUM CLEARANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT, A PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE AWARDED REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES IN EVERY CASE IN WHICH THE FINAL AMOUNT OFFERED BY THE MUNICIPALITY WAS LESS THAN THE AMOUNT ASCERTAINED BY A JURY OR THE COURT IF A JURY IS WAIVED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. D. A PREVAILING PLAINTIFF IN AN ACTION FOR JUST COMPENSATION THAT IS BASED ON DIMINUTION IN VALUE PURSUANT TO SECTION 12-1134 MAY BE AWARDED COSTS, EXPENSES AND REASONABLE ATTORNEY FEES. 12-1136. DEFINITIONS IN THIS ARTICLE, UNLESS THE CONTEXT OTHERWISE REQUIRES: 1. "FAIR MARKET VALUE" MEANS THE MOST LIKELY PRICE ESTIMATED IN TERMS OF MONEY WHICH THE LAND WOULD BRING IF EXPOSED FOR SALE IN THE OPEN MARKET, WITH REASONABLE TIME ALLOWED IN WHICH TO FIND A PURCHASER, BUYING WITH KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE USES AND PURPOSES TO WHICH IT IS ADAPTED AND FOR WHICH IT IS CAPABLE. 2. "JUST COMPENSATION" FOR PURPOSES OF AN ACTION FOR DIMINUTION IN VALUE MEANS THE SUM OF MONEY THAT IS EQUAL TO THE REDUCTION IN FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY RESULTING FROM THE ENACTMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW AS OF THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE LAND USE LAW. 3. "LAND USE LAW" MEANS ANY STATUTE, RULE, ORDINANCE, RESOLUTION OR LAW ENACTED BY THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT REGULATES THE USE OR DIVISION OF LAND OR ANY INTEREST IN LAND OR THAT REGULATES ACCEPTED FARMING OR FORESTRY PRACTICES. 4. "OWNER" MEANS THE HOLDER OF FEE TITLE TO THE SUBJECT REAL PROPERTY. 5. "PUBLIC USE": (a) MEANS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (i) THE POSSESSION, OCCUPATION, AND ENJOYMENT OF THE LAND BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, OR BY PUBLIC AGENCIES; (ii) THE USE OF LAND FOR THE CREATION OR FUNCTIONING OF UTILITIES; (iii) THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY TO ELIMINATE A DIRECT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY CAUSED BY THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF A STRUCTURE THAT IS BEYOND REPAIR OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION OR USE; OR (iv) THE ACQUISITION OF ABANDONED PROPERTY. (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING AN INCREASE IN TAX BASE, TAX REVENUES, EMPLOYMENT OR GENERAL ECONOMIC HEALTH. 6. "TAKEN" AND "TAKING" MEAN THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OR USE FROM A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE OR TO ANY PERSON OTHER THAN THIS STATE OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE. 12-1137. APPLICABILITY IF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS ARTICLE AND ANY OTHER LAW ARISES, THIS ARTICLE CONTROLS. 12-1138. SEVERABILITY IF ANY PROVISION OF THIS ACT OR ITS APPLICATION TO ANY PERSON OR CIRCUMSTANCE IS HELD INVALID THAT INVALIDITY DOES NOT AFFECT OTHER PROVISIONS OR APPLICATIONS OF THE ACT THAT CAN BE GIVEN EFFECT WITHOUT THE INVALID PROVISION OR APPLICATION, AND TO THIS END THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ACT ARE SEVERABLE. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Steinberg To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: PROP 207 http://www.noprop207.org/index.htm http://www.hopeforarizona.com/ these are the two websites re: Prop 207 In my opinion, MJ is right in her assessment VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: PROP 207 Can someone PLEASE.....explain prop 207 to me or give me their opinions, I am so confused on this topic and how this prop is written. I am extremely PRO personal property rights but I have also heard that this prop is pro personal rights cloaked in darkness. Anywone?? This is suppossed to be a heated topic coming up with the election. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. 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Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/f17cdb18/attachment.html From Arizona at att.net Sun Sep 10 17:39:36 2006 From: Arizona at att.net (KJ Kinder) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:39:36 -0700 Subject: fyi Message-ID: <4504B048.00000F.05076@KELLY> > > Last year I replaced all the windows in my house with those expensive > double pane energy-efficient kind. Then, this week I got a call from the > contractor who installed them. He was complaining that the work had been > completed a whole year ago and I still hadn't paid for them. > Now just because I'm blonde doesn't mean that I am automatically stupid. > So, I told him just what his fast talking Sales guy had told me last > year.... Namely, that in ONE YEAR these windows would pay for themselves! > > Helllooooo? It's been a year! > There was only silence at the other end of the line, so I finally just > hung up. > He didn't call back. Bet he felt dumb! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060910/13be932d/attachment.html From beehivebebe at cox.net Sun Sep 10 18:52:36 2006 From: beehivebebe at cox.net (Heidi Progress Lighting) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:52:36 -0700 Subject: florist? 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