From jenniferfierro at cox.net Mon Sep 25 10:13:41 2006 From: jenniferfierro at cox.net (Jennifer Downing) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:13:41 -0700 Subject: I need a dog sitter... Message-ID: <13993563.1159204421192.JavaMail.root@fed1wml13.mgt.cox.net> does anyone know someone realllllly reliable? It's just for a 3 days on a weekend... Maybe you know a really reliable college student looking for some extra dollars. Or maybe your HS Senior is super super responsible? My two Jacks are wonderfully fun and cute, and would love someone to stay with them. If need be they could be alone one night if someone could hang out with them during the day....and let them out to go potty. From maureenrooney at earthlink.net Mon Sep 25 10:22:25 2006 From: maureenrooney at earthlink.net (Maureen Rooney) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:22:25 -0700 Subject: FW: SAVE THE DATE - October 10, 2006 Downtown Urban Form Project Community Workshop Message-ID: <410-220069125172225609@earthlink.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: dean.brennan at phoenix.gov;shawn.vaughn at phoenix.gov Sent: 9/21/2006 12:14:04 PM Subject: Notice from City of Phoenix Planning Dept: SAVE THE DATE - October 10, 2006Downtown Urban Form Project Community Workshop. SAVE THE DATE! The City of Phoenix and the Downtown Urban Form Project consultant team will host a community workshop on October 10, 2006 at 5:30 p.m. at the Phoenix Convention Center, Tucson Rooms 36-43, to discuss the Downtown Phoenix Urban Form Project. The workshop will provide a forum for discussion, hands-on activities, and the opportunity to provide citizen input to the city and the consultant team. A formal invitation and RSVP will be sent as the date gets closer. If you have questions, please contact Dean Brennan at dean.brennan at phoenix.gov, or Shawn Vaughn at shawn.vaughn at phoenix.gov. This list was generated using information provided by attendees of the Downtown Urban Form Project kickoff event and other individuals who expressed an interest in receiving project updates. If you need to update your contact information, please send an email to 'UrbanForm at phoenix.gov' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060925/31f2c0b6/attachment.html From dbrennan4 at cox.net Mon Sep 25 10:47:13 2006 From: dbrennan4 at cox.net (Diane Brennan) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:47:13 -0700 Subject: I need a dog sitter... In-Reply-To: <13993563.1159204421192.JavaMail.root@fed1wml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <20060925174718.GRVL16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Jennifer I used Raeven at 602/628-8594. She is with a pet sitting service and I found her totally reliable, and my house and dogs looked great when I came home. Diane Brennan Realty Executives -----Original Message----- From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Jennifer Downing Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:14 AM To: central-city-discuss: gcna.info Subject: I need a dog sitter... does anyone know someone realllllly reliable? It's just for a 3 days on a weekend... Maybe you know a really reliable college student looking for some extra dollars. Or maybe your HS Senior is super super responsible? My two Jacks are wonderfully fun and cute, and would love someone to stay with them. If need be they could be alone one night if someone could hang out with them during the day....and let them out to go potty. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From steve at maps4u.com Mon Sep 25 12:43:06 2006 From: steve at maps4u.com (Steve Procaccini) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:43:06 -0700 Subject: Graffiti, problem apts. In-Reply-To: <000801c6df62$bf4ef650$6401a8c0@RAPPUTER1> Message-ID: Howdy neighbors, I'm not too familiar with the apartments being discussed, but, in general, if any apartments in Maricopa County are truly in bad condition (i.e., "slums"), then I believe there was a slum lord task force which helped create new laws re: such matters. A call to the County Attorney's office could help, if indeed these particular apartments warrant such action. Thanks, Steve. PS1 - Imho, buildings aren't the problem; people are. Tearing down an "innocent" building does not get to the core of the problem. PS2 - Good luck w/ your project, Jo. Sounds great! I love urban infill. I can't wait to see it happen. Subject: Re: Graffitti There has also been a lot of graffitti lately near those ghetto apartments at 15th St. and Oak (SE corner). There are even a couple of "blank" signs on the property itself that are covered in it. I have reported this to Graffitti Busters a couple of times...they've painted over the crap, but it soon reappears, of course. How easy for the tenants, they just have to step right outside their doors, spray paint can in hand! I personally would have liked to see those apartments TORN DOWN. This message was checked by MailScan for WorkgroupMail. www.workgroupmail.com From josepi at doitnow.com Mon Sep 25 13:52:22 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:52:22 -0700 Subject: Mexican politics Message-ID: <040001c6e0e4$8078e610$6401a8c0@JoClute> This is just for those interested in Mexican politics...... I was signed up for a workshop in late October to build a home out of shipping pallets for a local family in Juarez, ME. Due to recent events described below, my workshop was cancelled. I am so sad about what has happenned This is one of many reasons why I am empathetic and sensitive to our Mexican immigrants imagine, for a moment, what it must be like..... JC ----- Original Message ----- From: Cc: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Fall 2006 Workshop > Hey all, please read below. If you have any questions, please call me or > Alfred...thanks for your understanding. Matt (505.751.7345) or Alfred > (505.470.6141) > > ___________________________________________ > > Greetings, > It is with great regret that I have to write these words to all of you. > Due to recent events in Anapra, we have decided that it is just too risky > to hold our workshop in late October. About ten days ago, Fr. Bill > Morton, the coordinator of the Mexican component of our work in Anapra and > a great champion of the oppressed people in the area, got deported from > Mexico. For many years he has selflessly fought for the rights of the > people living on the mesa above Anapra, who are getting pushed off their > land by a wealthy Mexican family wanting to develop the area. In so > doing, he has had some success in helping the people retain their rights > to the land, but because of that success, he became a problem to the > developers who clearly wanted him out of the way, so they trumped up some > charges through the corrupt local authorities and had him deported. This > effectively disabled him from continuing his work with the local people. > As the result and for their protection, he chose to disband the crews he > employs in the area, who assist him and us in the production of the houses > we build in the workshops, leaving us without their needed help in > completing the projects. > > I addition through our (WHP) association with Fr. Bill and our involvement > with him on houses on the Mesa, there is the potential that we could also > be subject to some form of retribution, as these people will stop at > nothing to achieve their goal. Although we may not actually be a target, > I cannot take the chance of having any of you innocently caught up in the > fray. I never realized, until now, the extent to which these powerful > people control the business and government in the area and how little the > plight of the people is of concern to them. Nevertheless it is our hope > that in the near future, we can find a way to help the people who are > getting displaced, without being at risk ourselves. It may take some time > for things to cool down before we attempt this. In the meantime, we will > keep you abreast of the developments and let you know when we again feel > it is safe to work in the area. > > Also in the meantime we will be looking for other areas to work in that > will allow us to continue with our efforts. We will let you know about > these projects as they evolve. Thank you so much for your interest in > supporting with our work. I sincerely hope to see you on future projects > with us. > > Of course your money will be fully refunded and I hope that those of you > that purchased airline tickets can obtain credit towards other travel > (hopefully for a future workshop). Please stay in touch. > > Sincerely, > > Alfred von Bachmayr > World Hands Project > Director > > From josepi at doitnow.com Mon Sep 25 15:05:02 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:05:02 -0700 Subject: More related Mexican Politics Message-ID: <046001c6e0ee$a715f470$6401a8c0@JoClute> Here is an article that was forwarded to me when my Mexican workshop was cancelled. Charles Bowden, author of Down By the River actually WENT down to Juarez to investigate the drug war's effect on Northern Mexico. Oddly enough, when he wanted to know about the drug dealers themselves, he went and actually spoke directly with them (an odd concept in these parts, I know) Its amazing the information we can find out when we talk to the source.... > http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/06/03/int06008.html > > From chris.patterson at usa.com Mon Sep 25 15:19:22 2006 From: chris.patterson at usa.com (Chris Patterson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:19:22 -0500 Subject: Pet Sitting Message-ID: <20060925221923.084601CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Dear Coranado, My name is Christopher Declan Patterson / Better know as The Fire Hydrant in the Dispach. I just wanted to let everyone know that along with my artical I am avaliable to do house sitting and pet sitting. I see from time to time that there is a need for it. I do have refrences and I can care for special needs pets I can be reached at 602-770-1747 or by e-mail at thefirehydrant at doglover.com and don't forget to get your pictures in of you family pet for the next issue of the Dispach Many Thanks C.Declan Patterson -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060925/ee0dc2e6/attachment.html From andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net Mon Sep 25 16:49:25 2006 From: andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net (andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:49:25 -0400 Subject: Pet Sitting In-Reply-To: <20060925221923.084601CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060925221923.084601CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1159228165.45186b0561ecd@webmail.highstream.net> I will vouch for Chris without reservation. He is a most excellent pet/house sitter and a great guy to boot. Andrea Quoting Chris Patterson : > Dear Coranado, > > My name is Christopher Declan Patterson / Better know as The Fire > Hydrant in the Dispach. I just wanted to let everyone know that along > with my artical I am avaliable to do house sitting and pet sitting. I > see from time to time that there is a need for it. > > I do have refrences and I can care for special needs pets > > I can be reached at 602-770-1747 or by e-mail at > thefirehydrant at doglover.com > > and don't forget to get your pictures in of you family pet for > the next issue of the Dispach > > Many Thanks > > C.Declan Patterson > > -- > ___________________________________________________ > Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com > > From andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net Mon Sep 25 16:52:31 2006 From: andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net (andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:52:31 -0400 Subject: Found Dogs corner of Hubbell and 13th St. In-Reply-To: <20060925174718.GRVL16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20060925174718.GRVL16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <1159228351.45186bbf45cb0@webmail.highstream.net> 2 males, unneutered. One looks just like Petey in the "Little Rascals" flicks if you are old enough to remember. White pit bull with distinctive rings around the eyes, about 60 lbs. The other is black, approx 45 lbs and has a more shepard appearance. Please let me know if you have any idea where their home is. Showed up about 1 pm Monday. Andrea 602-252-2763 Many thanks. From bleach9 at cox.net Tue Sep 26 07:53:27 2006 From: bleach9 at cox.net (Brian Leach) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:53:27 -0700 Subject: Graffitti References: <20060924035703.UMBL18985.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><1159098230.45166f76cb298@webmail.highstream.net> <001d01c6e053$cc214e40$6401a8c0@JoClute> Message-ID: <03e401c6e17b$86cd3420$8833b046@Windsor> I can see suing them after every other avenue has been exhausted. I know first hand about having a landlord, or more appropriately, a slumlord, refusing to do anything about an increasingly bad situation. I've spoken to this "landlord" twice since May (once at great length) and both times I was told that he was aware of the "situation" and I was assured that the residents were being given a 30 day eviction notice immediately. The most recent was nearly 3 months ago - July 4th in fact - and these wonderful residents are still there. These people had originally signed a 1 year lease back in July 2005, so they are now on a month-to-month lease from what I've been told. I've tried speaking to the police both in person and over the phone - they've been called 7 times to this particular house since May - and anything I say falls on deaf ears. The same situation with neighborhood services. And unfortunately, I don't think I would have any luck with getting ASU to buy and rent out this particular house. I'm not sure I'd want that anyway. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Clute" To: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Graffitti > sue them?!!!! Andrea, how bout you just go and talk with them? They all > want change, I HAVE talked with them (most of them). But they also don't > want to run a > losing business. there are factors at work in this location that we may > be > unaware of. the WHOLE section needs to change not just one of those > places. > EVERYTHING needs to change-the entire culture. Its going to take work. > We > tried neighborhood services. We tried calling the police. We tried > rehabbing the places. But if you just do a little here and there its NOT > going to stick. I have been working on a solution for over a year. I > KNOW > there is a way and suing them isn't going to change anything. Its just > going to make it more difficult on all of us. If we take the effort that > we > would have to FIGHT them and use it to talk with them and help them, we > can > can alter this area permanently. My solution is to get ASU in there to > help > me build something marvelous. This will make this area "popular" and in > turn attract a different clientelle. The owner on the North Side already > said he would give artsits/students free rent. But if I was a student, you > couldn't pay me enough to live there in preset day conditions The owners > want this changed too. > Why do we always have to fight our neighbor when there is a problem, I > don't get that attitude. It mistifys me. That is contra-neighborhood in > my > opinion. I stopped myself from building those same things. I could have > already done it and contributed to the problem. But I didn't. And now I > have positive solutions which are possible but heading straight to a > public > hearing to condemn your neighbor or straight to the courts to condemn your > neighbor with out using diplomacy first to find a win/win solution is just > rediculous politics. I don't know if my solution will be implemented but > its in their hands and they are writing a proposal as we speak. > > I really do envision a colorful, landscaped, pet friendly area full of > artistic culture that we can all enjoy. Most of those buildings are sound > brick structures and can be beautified with paint and people. Its going > to > take a lot of work and I have taken a lot of approaches and one of them is > eventually going to work. But the bottom line is that those investors do > not want this anymore than we do. > > These owners are not making money (the owner on the North Maybe) they > barely break even. Everytime a tenant leaves so does the carpet, the > appliances, and most of the windows, Sometimes this is more profitable > then > having them sit vacant. Also, I know a few of the owners tried to sell > their buildings and couldn't because of how messed up they are. A few of > the owners are very "green" and didn't know what they got themselves into > it. Some are out of state. How do I know all of this? Because last > year, > I spent 10 hours searching for each and every owner, calling them, leaving > messages, and finally getting a hold of them. There are some complexities > that we don't have a handle on. But either way, it needs to change. > > Suing is NOT the answer. Calling the police over and over might make > little > changes but the minute someone lets up it will happen right over again. I > have even been cited for them parking on my lot...This area is a big > problem > and its going to take a big solution. > > ASU will be excited to hear that everyone will back their efforts. I hope > this is the case > > J > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:43 AM > Subject: Re: Graffitti > > >> Aaron, >> >> You might want to mention this to Off. Smith. I believe that in the past >> the >> City has tried to work with the landlord on improving these properties. >> If >> memory serves, the apartment complex to the south was granted money by >> the >> city >> for improvements. After the improvments were made, the property was >> quickly run >> down again and sold to another owner and the cycle just continued. I'm >> not >> sure >> about the property to the north. If there is enough crime and blight the >> city, >> through the Police Dept, will proceed with the abatement process. Also, >> if >> there have been arrests on the property of "victimless" crimes (drug >> use,prostitition, etc.) then I believe the neighborhood can actually sue >> the >> landlord in small claims court for the dertioration in the quality of >> life >> in >> the community. I can't remember the # of the law, but will look it up if >> you >> are interested. We've used it in the past and won, but never collected >> any >> money. The problem is the title on these properties keeps changing hands, >> so >> the process is never completed. Perhaps the city has found a way around >> that >> now. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Andrea >> >> >> Quoting thisrocks at mac.com: >> >>> I believe that we must first try "optimism" and hope for the best. If >>> the owners of the run-down apartments do not make serious effort in >>> upgrading the properties in order to attract a renters at least two >>> steps up the ladder, then together we will have to put another kind >>> of pressure on them - something like "get out." >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that ASU would do a survey of the area and recognize >>> that a problem exists with the existing run-down apartments - and >>> perhaps help pave the way for something better. What do you think >>> Jody? If ASU does back your project, do you think their support would >>> be that strong? >>> >>> Does anyone know of other instances (in Arizona or elsewhere) where a >>> university has strong-armed (ok, maybe not the best word) another >>> property owner to "shapeup or get out?" >>> >>> -Aaron >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Wayne Murray wrote: >>> >>> A comment from the evil landlord. >>> >>> >>> >>> The owners bought those places almost like new. They were "allowed" >>> to be run down. Anyone smart enough to have sufficient capital to >>> purchase them is smart enough to figure out how to keep them in good >>> condition. If not they should not be in the rental business for >>> their own sake. It they are and let them go then they should not be >>> in the rental business for "our" sake. Airlines don't let their >>> planes fall from the sky, restaurants don't poison their customers? >>> These owners take money each month from the people that live there, >>> the relationship is satisfying to "both" or it would not exist. >>> These are individuals who know how to rub two nickels together; they >>> don't care and are not in the investment for the long term. >>> >>> >>> >>> They and their apartments are sick, and when they both cough the >>> neighborhood gets ill. >>> >>> >>> >>> I support Jo and her vision and project, however do not envy her if >>> she thinks these persons can become partners in that vision.....they >>> don't see it, can't see it, and they never will. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city- >>> discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of ktoneal at cox.net >>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:22 PM >>> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info >>> Subject: Re: Graffitti >>> >>> >>> >>> Jo, >>> >>> I just feel the need to point out that instead of condemning the >>> owners of the apartments you chose instead to talk to them about a >>> possible solution. I just think that this type of behavior deserves >>> applause. So I applaud you! >>> >>> Is there anything the rest of us can do to help with the solution? >>> >>> >>> >>> And Ruth, it is nice to see you back. We appreciate the info. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- Jo Clute wrote: >>> >>> > Ruth, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I am going to use your message as a segway if that's ok. I own >>> the vacant >>> >>> > property smack dab in the middle of those barracks type apts. The >>> crime >>> >>> > there is rampant and the owners of these properties are durressed >>> about the >>> >>> > situation as well. I am working on a project to turn this section >>> of Oak >>> >>> > into student/artist housing. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > But doing so is where the trouble lies. I have been working on >>> and off >>> >>> > this project for over a year and it has been a lot more difficult >>> than I had >>> >>> > anticipated. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > HOWEVER, I met with ASU college of Architecture just last week >>> and they >>> >>> > are in the process of accepting that section (my property) as one >>> of their >>> >>> > Urban Workshops. ASU comes with a LOT of PR which would generate >>> interest >>> >>> > in this section and hopefully pull the artists/students into this >>> section. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I have talked with most of the owners and they are willing to do >>> whatever it >>> >>> > takes to convert this section from where it is. They can't attract >>> >>> > different tenants and it seems to be an endless cycle. Most of >>> the crime in >>> >>> > Coronado streams from this section to the rest of the neighborhood >>> via Oak, >>> >>> > especially when they head towards the Sunshine Market. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Anyway I think the grafitti in this area is indicative of a much >>> greater >>> >>> > problem that needs to be handled at its core level. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Until then, I keep a can of Kilz and spare exterior paint for when >>> the alley >>> >>> > side of my house gets tagged as it seems to happen seasonably. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Welcome back to the list, we've been wondering where you've been :-) >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Jody >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> > From: "Ruth & Rusty Rapp" >>> >>> > To: >>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:51 PM >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Graffitti >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > There has also been a lot of graffitti lately near those ghetto >>> apartments >>> >>> > > at 15th St. and Oak (SE corner). There are even a couple of >>> "blank" signs >>> >>> > > on >>> >>> > > the property itself that are covered in it. I have reported this to >>> >>> > > Graffitti Busters a couple of times...they've painted over the >>> crap, but >>> >>> > > it >>> >>> > > soon reappears, of course. How easy for the tenants, they just >>> have to >>> >>> > > step >>> >>> > > right outside their doors, spray paint can in hand! >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > I personally would have liked to see those apartments TORN DOWN. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > Ruth >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > --Note-- >>> >>> > > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> >>> > > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want >>> to post >>> >>> > > to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > --Disclaimer-- >>> >>> > > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> >>> > > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >>> e-mail >>> >>> > > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> >>> > > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>> Association. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > --Note-- >>> >>> > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> >>> > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >>> post >>> >>> > to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > --Disclaimer-- >>> >>> > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> >>> > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e- >>> mail >>> >>> > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> >>> > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >>> Association. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> --Note-- >>> >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Note-- >>> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >>> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >>> to the central-city-discuss list. >>> >>> --Disclaimer-- >>> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >>> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >>> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >>> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >>> >>> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From artbynoah at excite.com Tue Sep 26 08:38:12 2006 From: artbynoah at excite.com (Noah) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dispatch Message-ID: <20060926153812.A90972F5CD@xprdmxin.myway.com> I wanted to comment on how amazing the Dispatch looks! Kudos to all who were involved in putting it together! Great job! Noah _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From wayne at xnar.com Tue Sep 26 10:02:49 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:02:49 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <20060926170220.WSLK16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: Joining the Announcements Group The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. To join the group: . Log In to the Forum. . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. . Click View Information. . On the following screen, click Join Group. Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060926/d58661d8/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CENTRAL CITY DISCUSSION LIST SERVE.doc Type: application/msword Size: 38400 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060926/d58661d8/attachment.doc From andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net Tue Sep 26 10:05:09 2006 From: andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net (andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:05:09 -0400 Subject: Speed humps. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1159290309.45195dc5b297b@webmail.highstream.net> There is a committee set up through Fight Back SW that has been dealing with traffic issues south of Oak for the last 6 months. The Fight Back meetings are the 3rd Wed of every month at Emerson School. More details about the Fight Back SW preliminary traffic plan will be in the Nov. newsletter. Quoting Jennifer Fierro Downing : > After witnessing a car crash into my split rail fencing this morning > on the corner of 15th and Virginia, I think it's time to also get > something done down here. > > I realize that the bumpouts are going to go in at the start of next > summer, but I can just forsee everyone speeding up when they get to > my corner. > > This is the second crash on my corner in a year. Thank god the car > didn't go any further than it did, otherwise it would have ruined my > oleanders and my internal backyard fence and would have allowed my > dogs to run freely onto 16th st. (they are runners, and they don't > come back) > > How would I initiate something like that.... > I know people would support me on this. > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From wayne at xnar.com Tue Sep 26 14:35:51 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:35:51 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review Message-ID: <20060926213553.XIGF6077.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This is a follow up. It turns out that the Digest on the forum does not preserve the attachments. So those who are receiving the "review draft" in digest form will have to go to this link http://www.gcna.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=348#348 to view the proposal posted on the Forum, at the GCNA web site WWW.GCNA.info We have an excellent webmaster that is walking us through this, and Katherine provided some voluble information as to how the "digesters" view the discussion list. More input from "digesters" would be helpful to the guidelines. We have received some very good suggestions. They will be identified as changes (so you will know what changed) and worked into the draft to reflect them. Keep them coming. Take a look around the "forum"; it is a valuable and underutilized resource. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060926/a02be86b/attachment.html From dennismacleod at yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 07:07:00 2006 From: dennismacleod at yahoo.com (Dennis Mac Leod) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Understanding the 19 Ballot Propositions Message-ID: <20060927140700.21041.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Understanding the 19 Ballot Propositions Date: 6pm, Thursday, September 28th, 2006 Did you know that there will be 19 Propositions on the November 7th Ballot? These proposals will either change the Arizona Constitution or create new laws, regulations and public finance. They include: * 2 competing proposals to prohibit smoking; * 2 opposing propositions on State Trust Lands; * 4 propositions regulating treatment of Immigrants; * 2 proposals to change the way we vote. In a democracy it is the responsibility of a citizen to be informed on the issues and to vote to sustain the Common Good. Come and hear an objective presentation on the propositions and find out how they will impact our community, who backs them and who opposes them. As these Ballot Initiatives affect everyone, we should be informed and have an opinion on these issues. Below is an opportunity to become educated on the Ballot Initiatives. It is free and open to the public: 6pm, Thursday, September 28th, 2006 Hope Hall, Grace Lutheran Church 1124 N 3rd St, Phoenix (just south of I-10 at Moreland) Additional forum location and dates can be found at: http://www.azsos.gov/election/2006/info/townhallschedule.htm --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060927/cfd1b061/attachment.html From maureenrooney at earthlink.net Wed Sep 27 09:11:38 2006 From: maureenrooney at earthlink.net (Maureen Rooney) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:11:38 -0700 Subject: FW: You're Invited! To the Downtown Phoenix Home & Loft Tour Sept 30th Message-ID: <4169-220069327161138843@earthlink.net> If you can't see this message, the website is here: http://www.urbanaffairaz.com/urban_phoenix/section-view.php?id=82 From: Rob Edwards [mailto:redwards at downtownphx.org] Sent: Mon 9/25/2006 5:02 PM To: Arizona HCC Subject: You're Invited! To the Downtown Phoenix Home & Loft Tour The inaugural Downtown Phoenix Home & Lof Tour is Saturday, September 30, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. As promised, each day this week we will release details of homes on the tour. Here are a few to whet your appetite! Tickets are $20 and include admission to the Urban Affair ... purchase them here. >>> Stadium Lofts at Buchanan and 2nd Street was a pioneering development in downtown's warehouse district back in 2003. Just two blocks south of the then American West Arena, the 4-story brick building was considered to be in the middle of nowhere. And now? The Summit at Copper Square condo tower is under construction and Jackson St is prepping for a $400 million makeover. Stadium Lofts consists of 31 units ranging in size from 1,200 to over 2,000 square feet. Ten to 22-foot ceiling heights give way to city views. Spiral ductwork and exposed brick walls are coupled with granite countertops and wood floors. >>> The "Willetta 9" residences are on Willetta near 7th Street and were designed by architect Michael Underhill. "This urban loft floor plan is unique with European kitchens and many modern details. Convenient elements include private garages, private yards and studio spaces. Creative flex spaces can conform to your needs. Concrete floors, beam ceilings, modern bathroom design, and contemporary kitchens are some of the perfect finishing touches." ~ AZarchitecture.com A 1,100 square foot, one bedroom, one bath unit is now on the market for $365,000. >>> Palm Lane Lofts at 325 East Palm Lane were built in 2004 by architect Ian Baldinger. Units originally started selling at $400,000 and are now selling-if you can get one-around $650,000 (or $430/SF). The 3-story row homes boast cherry Italian cabinets by Diemme, black granite countertops, designer appliances by Bosch, fixtures by Danze, and "expressive aluminum and steel" details. "Great architecture inside and out." ~ selection committee comments >>> Unique to the tour is a single family bungalow just off Roosevelt Row-the burgeoning arts/retail and live/work corridor north of Copper Square. The modest studio/gallery at 918 North 6th Street is shared by a young couple who live the artiste's life we all partake of once per month on First Fridays. "Gallery space worth seeing, great art and workshop area." ~ selection committee This bus stop along the Tour includes an Artisan Village live/work condo as well as all the retailers along Roosevelt Row. Don't miss this one! Tomorrow: "Only at Orpheum" Five stunning units in the exquisitely restored and renovated art deco Orpheum Lofts at 114 West Adams. Wednesday: "All About Artisan" We will feature the three uber-urban projects of developer Eric Brown: Artisan Village, Artisan Parkview, and Artisan Lofts on Central. Thursday: "Four for the Future" will feature four projects currently under construction: 44 Monroe, Portland Place (at left), the Studios @ 636, and the new Phoenix Convention Center, the home of Urban Affair. And Friday's finale? What's a house tour without a dramatic ending? An iconic retail landmark is changing hands ... what will become of My Florist now that Mr. Lacy has sold the building? What will become of Willow Bread? And the cafe/restaurant? Don't fret just yet ... Mr. Lacy has generously agreed to be stop #6 on the Tour! His flawlessly decorated loft above the restaurant is an absolute MUST SEE! Copper Square, in the heart of it all. As with all construction projects, dates and restrictions are subject to change. For the most up-to-date information, log on to www.coppersquare.com. If you have questions or need additional information, please contact the Partnership at 602-254-8696. The Copper Square Newsletter Team does not send unsolicited email messages. If you feel that you have received this email in error, please accept our apologies. To unsubscribe CLICK HERE to remove your email address from our database, or CLICK HERE to update your profile. Sincerely, The Copper Square Connect Newsletter Team This email was sent by: Downtown Phoenix Partnership 541 E. Van Buren Ste. B-1, Phoenix, AZ, 85004, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060927/d4e92778/attachment.html From thisrocks at mac.com Wed Sep 27 09:37:33 2006 From: thisrocks at mac.com (thisrocks at mac.com) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:37:33 -0700 Subject: Understanding the 19 Ballot Propositions In-Reply-To: <20060927140700.21041.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060927140700.21041.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <289A4497-350C-4735-800A-7D39D83718CB@mac.com> A.R.S. section 19-124(B) requires the Arizona Legislative Council to prepare impartial analyses of ballot measures, which are then included in the publicity pamphlet published by the Secretary of State. Here is the website: http://www.azleg.state.az.us/2006_Ballot_Proposition_Analyses/ On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:07 AM, Dennis Mac Leod wrote: Subject: Understanding the 19 Ballot Propositions Date: 6pm, Thursday, September 28th, 2006 Did you know that there will be 19 Propositions on the November 7th Ballot? These proposals will either change the Arizona Constitution or create new laws, regulations and public finance. They include: * 2 competing proposals to prohibit smoking; * 2 opposing propositions on State Trust Lands; * 4 propositions regulating treatment of Immigrants; * 2 proposals to change the way we vote. In a democracy it is the responsibility of a citizen to be informed on the issues and to vote to sustain the Common Good. Come and hear an objective presentation on the propositions and find out how they will impact our community, who backs them and who opposes them. As these Ballot Initiatives affect everyone, we should be informed and have an opinion on these issues. Below is an opportunity to become educated on the Ballot Initiatives. It is free and open to the public: 6pm, Thursday, September 28th, 2006 Hope Hall, Grace Lutheran Church 1124 N 3rd St, Phoenix (just south of I-10 at Moreland) Additional forum location and dates can be found at: http:// www.azsos.gov/election/2006/info/townhallschedule.htm Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. 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Noah _____ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060927/3c191ae2/attachment.html From thisrocks at mac.com Fri Sep 29 00:22:20 2006 From: thisrocks at mac.com (thisrocks at mac.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:22:20 -0700 Subject: Update: Graffiti at Oak/20th Message-ID: <58018451-7546-41CA-BEE4-C8ADD2579722@mac.com> I met with Community Action Officers Julie Smith and Manuel Valenzuela on Tuesday to discuss the graffiti problems. They drove through our neighborhood to see firsthand the graffiti problem, and will communicate with their boss and the powers that be to get some attention and manpower, and most importantly, get information passed across the police force. I am in the process of carefully tracking the times and places that the graffiti appears. Each time a vandal strikes, we need to capture it via a photograph. I am volunteering my Monday afternoon from 12noon to 4pm to photograph as many places graffiti exists in the Greater Coronado area as well as Greater Green Gables, since "22ST YOUNGSTER" is also present there. If you know of a location, please email me (thisrocks at mac.com) and let me the location and how long you think it has been there, and if the location has a "history." I will be taking a picture and printing it along with a description to provide evidence for the prosecution once the vandal is caught - and they will be caught! More info to come around Oct 4-5. Sincerely, Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/e8266ec1/attachment.html From thisrocks at mac.com Fri Sep 29 01:34:08 2006 From: thisrocks at mac.com (thisrocks at mac.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:34:08 -0700 Subject: Mayor Phil Gordon's State of Downtown Address Message-ID: Thank you Maureen for posting the invite. Mayor Phil Gordon definitely spoke to us all tonight: educators, residents, developers, businessmen, artists, politicians, medical professionals, students, and everyone in between. Here are some highlights: Attendees proceeded to the top floor of convention rooms at the Phoenix Convention Center. Exhibitors spread out in one room and Mayor Gordon held court in another. There were artists who participate in the Copper Square ?Performance Street? entertainment program: a lady with a python, a man on stilts, and a very tall man crafting balloon animals. There was a healthy array of food from several Downtown Phoenix restaurants including Palazzo and Tom's Restaurant & Tavern. And a bevy of other exhibitors including: a new energy drink called Kaboom; a jazz band; Sherry Rampy of Realty Executives; artist James Angel; Made Art Boutique; Downtown Phoenix Public Market; Arizona Telemedicine Program; and several loft projects from the Downtown Phoenix Urban Form Project and Loft Tour with members of the City Planning Department. Mayor Gordon spoke to a full house for well over 45 minutes, espousing the current and future attributes of Downtown Phoenix. - "...$2.3 billion and over 7 million square feet of planned or proposed new construction and it will rise. Such an exciting time to be in Downtown." - Downtown revenue up 166% to $43 million in revenue. - With such close proximity of sporting events, cultural activities, Light Rail, education resources, scientific research, medical facilities, art venues, all 10 minutes from Sky Harbor Airport, there is "nothing else like it anywhere." - "The [Phoenix] bird will soar again." - 6300 new high paying jobs being created in downtown. - "Without the arts community, there is no downtown." - The Arizona Telemedicine Program got lots of stage time as members of the pioneering project demonstrated using the technology. This is a vast network across Arizona that allows patients to be seen and diagnosed by doctors who are hundreds of miles away using synchronous video telecommunications. For more information visit: www. telemedicine.arizona.edu. - For the first time, Arizona State University and University of Arizona emblems will be featured on a tan baseball cap underscored by the words "Downtown Phoenix." Each attendee was given one of the ball caps. This is because ASU and U of A are teaming up to create the Phoenix Bioscience Campus Downtown. ASU will also open the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication next year. - The biggest message I think Mayor Gordon wanted to get across is that Downtown Phoenix is and will have it all: Education from ASU and U of A; Research, BioMed, and Science from the likes of TGen and Ribomed; Arts from Symphony Hall and Herberger Theater as well as many other events like First Friday Art Walk; Hotel infrastructure like the new Sheraton; New retail and restaurants like the late 2006 opening of Hanny's (as a restaurant rather than in its original form of an upscale clothing store) by Karl Kopp, owner of AZ88; Residential opportunities from people like Eric Brown, president of Artisan Homes who is responsible for several Downtown Phoenix residential projects; Greenspace provided by a new park; and of course more and more business. - "Downtown Phoenix is the place to live, work and play!" I agree! That's all for now! Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/7cd29e32/attachment.html From wayne at xnar.com Fri Sep 29 02:32:12 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:32:12 -0700 Subject: Update: Graffiti at Oak/20th In-Reply-To: <58018451-7546-41CA-BEE4-C8ADD2579722@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060929093214.KXWG6711.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> You need highspeed internet to view this...if you don't like South Park than delete...Rated but funny.. Aaron let me know on the times I will help.. http://waynemurray.info/South%20Park%20-%20Chickenlover%20-%20Cartman%20Cop. avi W _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of thisrocks at mac.com Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:22 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Update: Graffiti at Oak/20th I met with Community Action Officers Julie Smith and Manuel Valenzuela on Tuesday to discuss the graffiti problems. They drove through our neighborhood to see firsthand the graffiti problem, and will communicate with their boss and the powers that be to get some attention and manpower, and most importantly, get information passed across the police force. I am in the process of carefully tracking the times and places that the graffiti appears. Each time a vandal strikes, we need to capture it via a photograph. I am volunteering my Monday afternoon from 12noon to 4pm to photograph as many places graffiti exists in the Greater Coronado area as well as Greater Green Gables, since "22ST YOUNGSTER" is also present there. If you know of a location, please email me (thisrocks at mac.com) and let me the location and how long you think it has been there, and if the location has a "history." I will be taking a picture and printing it along with a description to provide evidence for the prosecution once the vandal is caught - and they will be caught! More info to come around Oct 4-5. Sincerely, Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/bb640a82/attachment.html From tjvick at cox.net Fri Sep 29 05:46:01 2006 From: tjvick at cox.net (tjvick at cox.net) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 5:46:01 -0700 Subject: Update: Graffiti at Oak/20th Message-ID: <27527646.1159533961813.JavaMail.root@fed1wml12.mgt.cox.net> Good Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---- thisrocks at mac.com wrote: ============= I met with Community Action Officers Julie Smith and Manuel Valenzuela on Tuesday to discuss the graffiti problems. They drove through our neighborhood to see firsthand the graffiti problem, and will communicate with their boss and the powers that be to get some attention and manpower, and most importantly, get information passed across the police force. I am in the process of carefully tracking the times and places that the graffiti appears. Each time a vandal strikes, we need to capture it via a photograph. I am volunteering my Monday afternoon from 12noon to 4pm to photograph as many places graffiti exists in the Greater Coronado area as well as Greater Green Gables, since "22ST YOUNGSTER" is also present there. If you know of a location, please email me (thisrocks at mac.com) and let me the location and how long you think it has been there, and if the location has a "history." I will be taking a picture and printing it along with a description to provide evidence for the prosecution once the vandal is caught - and they will be caught! More info to come around Oct 4-5. Sincerely, Aaron -- Kindness matters From josepi at doitnow.com Fri Sep 29 09:36:02 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:36:02 -0700 Subject: Mayor Phil Gordon's State of Downtown Address References: Message-ID: <098901c6e3e5$5b9eaf60$6401a8c0@JoClute> Aaron, Thanks you SO much for the recap. That was fabulous :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: thisrocks at mac.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:34 AM Subject: Mayor Phil Gordon's State of Downtown Address Thank you Maureen for posting the invite. Mayor Phil Gordon definitely spoke to us all tonight: educators, residents, developers, businessmen, artists, politicians, medical professionals, students, and everyone in between. Here are some highlights: Attendees proceeded to the top floor of convention rooms at the Phoenix Convention Center. Exhibitors spread out in one room and Mayor Gordon held court in another. There were artists who participate in the Copper Square ?Performance Street? entertainment program: a lady with a python, a man on stilts, and a very tall man crafting balloon animals. There was a healthy array of food from several Downtown Phoenix restaurants including Palazzo and Tom's Restaurant & Tavern. And a bevy of other exhibitors including: a new energy drink called Kaboom; a jazz band; Sherry Rampy of Realty Executives; artist James Angel; Made Art Boutique; Downtown Phoenix Public Market; Arizona Telemedicine Program; and several loft projects from the Downtown Phoenix Urban Form Project and Loft Tour with members of the City Planning Department. Mayor Gordon spoke to a full house for well over 45 minutes, espousing the current and future attributes of Downtown Phoenix. - "...$2.3 billion and over 7 million square feet of planned or proposed new construction and it will rise. Such an exciting time to be in Downtown." - Downtown revenue up 166% to $43 million in revenue. - With such close proximity of sporting events, cultural activities, Light Rail, education resources, scientific research, medical facilities, art venues, all 10 minutes from Sky Harbor Airport, there is "nothing else like it anywhere." - "The [Phoenix] bird will soar again." - 6300 new high paying jobs being created in downtown. - "Without the arts community, there is no downtown." - The Arizona Telemedicine Program got lots of stage time as members of the pioneering project demonstrated using the technology. This is a vast network across Arizona that allows patients to be seen and diagnosed by doctors who are hundreds of miles away using synchronous video telecommunications. For more information visit: www. telemedicine.arizona.edu. - For the first time, Arizona State University and University of Arizona emblems will be featured on a tan baseball cap underscored by the words "Downtown Phoenix." Each attendee was given one of the ball caps. This is because ASU and U of A are teaming up to create the Phoenix Bioscience Campus Downtown. ASU will also open the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication next year. - The biggest message I think Mayor Gordon wanted to get across is that Downtown Phoenix is and will have it all: Education from ASU and U of A; Research, BioMed, and Science from the likes of TGen and Ribomed; Arts from Symphony Hall and Herberger Theater as well as many other events like First Friday Art Walk; Hotel infrastructure like the new Sheraton; New retail and restaurants like the late 2006 opening of Hanny's (as a restaurant rather than in its original form of an upscale clothing store) by Karl Kopp, owner of AZ88; Residential opportunities from people like Eric Brown, president of Artisan Homes who is responsible for several Downtown Phoenix residential projects; Greenspace provided by a new park; and of course more and more business. - "Downtown Phoenix is the place to live, work and play!" I agree! That's all for now! Aaron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/19a25e64/attachment.html From thisrocks at mac.com Fri Sep 29 10:31:08 2006 From: thisrocks at mac.com (thisrocks at mac.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:31:08 -0700 Subject: Update: Graffiti at Oak/20th In-Reply-To: <20060929093214.KXWG6711.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20060929093214.KXWG6711.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <15E10C2C-BA37-4EAD-923B-E1E025948CDC@mac.com> Hello all, I've started my list. Thank to those who have already contacted me. If you can let me know where to look, I can cover these points faster and get to more of them. Honestly, I'm sure it will take me more than one afternoon to photograph everything, but I'm willing to add as many Graffiti Sweep dates as needed. Keep the locations and descriptions coming. thisrocks at mac.com Aaron On Sep 29, 2006, at 2:32 AM, Wayne Murray wrote: You need highspeed internet to view this??.if you don?t like South Park than delete?..Rated but funny?? Aaron let me know on the times I will help?. http://waynemurray.info/South%20Park%20-%20Chickenlover%20-%20Cartman% 20Cop.avi W From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city- discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of thisrocks at mac.com Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:22 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Update: Graffiti at Oak/20th I met with Community Action Officers Julie Smith and Manuel Valenzuela on Tuesday to discuss the graffiti problems. They drove through our neighborhood to see firsthand the graffiti problem, and will communicate with their boss and the powers that be to get some attention and manpower, and most importantly, get information passed across the police force. I am in the process of carefully tracking the times and places that the graffiti appears. Each time a vandal strikes, we need to capture it via a photograph. I am volunteering my Monday afternoon from 12noon to 4pm to photograph as many places graffiti exists in the Greater Coronado area as well as Greater Green Gables, since "22ST YOUNGSTER" is also present there. If you know of a location, please email me (thisrocks at mac.com) and let me the location and how long you think it has been there, and if the location has a "history." I will be taking a picture and printing it along with a description to provide evidence for the prosecution once the vandal is caught - and they will be caught! More info to come around Oct 4-5. Sincerely, Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/12aa406d/attachment.html From roobin at theriver.com Fri Sep 29 10:33:43 2006 From: roobin at theriver.com (roobin) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:33:43 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review References: <20060926170220.WSLK16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <001901c6e3ed$69a7b270$0400000a@beta> Observations: 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. 2. The Delete key is still your only control. 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? R. PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Murray To: Gcna-Members Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: Joining the Announcements Group The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. To join the group: . Log In to the Forum. . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. . Click View Information. . On the following screen, click Join Group. Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/bf0356e0/attachment.html From josepi at doitnow.com Fri Sep 29 11:02:38 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:02:38 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review References: <20060926170220.WSLK16798.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001901c6e3ed$69a7b270$0400000a@beta> Message-ID: <09f701c6e3f1$7380eb50$6401a8c0@JoClute> Roobin, What were your specific suggestions? Please share those with us also.. Everyone was invited to be on the committee. This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again. The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed. thank you for your input........? ----- Original Message ----- From: roobin To: Central City Discussion Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Observations: 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. 2. The Delete key is still your only control. 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? R. PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Murray To: Gcna-Members Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: Joining the Announcements Group The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. To join the group: . Log In to the Forum. . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. . Click View Information. . On the following screen, click Join Group. Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/4aac1dd1/attachment.html From tjvick at cox.net Fri Sep 29 11:16:42 2006 From: tjvick at cox.net (tjvick at cox.net) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:16:42 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <8451241.1159553802548.JavaMail.root@fed1wml12.mgt.cox.net> I was just thinking (I do that occasionally) that one problem with moderation is that it could delay an important email concerning safety in the neighborhood-- like when there is poloce action-I always appreciate the updates from people nearby so I can avaid the problem area also when that guy was going door to door it was great to be able to be on the look out right then. Also--everyone knows email can transmit sarcasm that isn't there and can be offensive if misread so let's be thick skinned and logical and helpful and reread what we write to see how it might sound to someone. ---- roobin wrote: ============= Observations: 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. 2. The Delete key is still your only control. 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? R. PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Murray To: Gcna-Members Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: Joining the Announcements Group The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. To join the group: . Log In to the Forum. . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. . Click View Information. . On the following screen, click Join Group. Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -- Kindness matters From mjfritz at cox.net Fri Sep 29 13:01:17 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz at cox.net) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:01:17 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <5308522.1159560077838.JavaMail.root@fed1wml02.mgt.cox.net> Suggestions may be more productive than observations.... This, by no means, is an easy task for this group of volunteers to acomplish. They deserve our thanks as well as our comments. ---- roobin wrote: > Observations: > 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. > 2. The Delete key is still your only control. > 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. > 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. > 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? > > R. > > PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wayne Murray > To: Gcna-Members > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM > Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review > > > Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. > > > > History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. > > Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". > > Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. > > > > It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. > > > > > > The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and > > how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. > > > > > > When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: > > > > Joining the Announcements Group > > > > The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. > > > > To join the group: > > . Log In to the Forum. > > . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. > > . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. > > . Click View Information. > > . On the following screen, click Join Group. > > > > Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator > > will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any > > announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. > > > > > > > > The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. > > > > It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. > > > > Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net > > > > Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. > > > > "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" > > > > Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From vcampo1 at cox.net Fri Sep 29 13:42:41 2006 From: vcampo1 at cox.net (vcampo1 at cox.net) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:42:41 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <18786045.1159562561773.JavaMail.root@fed1wml01.mgt.cox.net> This proposal was sent to the list for comment. Robin sent her comments. Now, it appears, she is being criticized for sharing those comments because (a.) she could have joined the committee but didn't and (b.) she offered comments without suggestions. I don't get it. ---- Jo Clute wrote: > Roobin, > > What were your specific suggestions? > > Please share those with us also.. > > Everyone was invited to be on the committee. > > This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input > > we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again. > > The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed. > > thank you for your input........? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roobin > To: Central City Discussion > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > > > Observations: > 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. > 2. The Delete key is still your only control. > 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. > 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. > 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? > > R. > > PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wayne Murray > To: Gcna-Members > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM > Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review > > > Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. > > > > History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. > > Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". > > Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. > > > > It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. > > > > > > The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and > > how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. > > > > > > When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: > > > > Joining the Announcements Group > > > > The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. > > > > To join the group: > > . Log In to the Forum. > > . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. > > . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. > > . Click View Information. > > . On the following screen, click Join Group. > > > > Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator > > will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any > > announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. > > > > > > > > The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. > > > > It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. > > > > Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net > > > > Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. > > > > "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" > > > > Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From ktoneal at cox.net Fri Sep 29 18:58:26 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:58:26 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <779509.1159581506827.JavaMail.root@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net> Thank you, MJ, for your acknowledgment of this committees hard work. Members of this committee spent countless hours discussing, researching, incorporating ideas and forming conclusions. We did not take our task lightly. Each member acknowledged their own part in contributing to the problem as well as the problems of the list as a whole. Each member's main goal was to come to a solution that would promote goodwill as well as good conversation. I am honored to be a part of this intelligent, hard working group and I personally thank you for aknowledging and supporting us. Many members of this community are not even aware that they have contributed to our final product. A post from Roobin on August 27, 2006 to the list serv was carefully reviewed by myself and others. He suggests that each sender "backspace" before sending out a response. This is an extremely important point. He explains that jumping to a response out of anger will only lead to more anger and possibly a regretted response. By "backspacing" we will be given the opportunity to clear our thoughts and ask ourselves, Do we really want to send this to the entire list? Members of the committee talked of how to implement this. We concluded that if the reply default is set to "reply to the sender" rather than "reply to the list serv ', any responses made in haste will be sent to the original sender only. You need to take an extra step to send to the entire list. "Backspace!" We believe this will work even better than a moderator. We implemented in our proposal other forms of self moderation that we also believe will address other issues that were brought to our attention. Read the guidelines and you will find them. There are several reasons why this committee believes that a moderator is unnecessary. One of which tjvick already addressed. The discussion on this list happens in real time. A "moderation" by a single person will delay conversation. We concluded that this unique, open form of conversation should be preserved. We also have faith in the community of Coronado. Now that a list of guidelines has been set, they will be upheld and protected by ALL, and not just one entity. Quoting a famous song poet, "All we are asking, is give peace a chance." We are adults and should act as such and should not require the "parenting" of a stranger. Furthermore, the "Who" and the "How" of appointing a single moderator was not something we, on this committee, could accomplish because we did not believe it necessary or practical. This committee worked very hard to form this set of guidelines. We realize, however, that our work is not done. We were just recently told that out of 5000 households only 100 people are utilizing this resource. Some of us have been discussing ways to reach out to the rest of the community. The possibilities for the Coronado neighbors are endless if we all pull together. This is a valuable resource for doing just that. The committee recognizes this fact and will do all that is possible to promote and preserve this list serv's unique nature. Katie O'Neal List Serv Committee Member ---- mjfritz at cox.net wrote: > Suggestions may be more productive than observations.... > This, by no means, is an easy task for this group of volunteers to acomplish. They deserve our thanks as well as our comments. > > ---- roobin wrote: > > Observations: > > 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. > > 2. The Delete key is still your only control. > > 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. > > 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. > > 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? > > > > R. > > > > PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wayne Murray > > To: Gcna-Members > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM > > Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review > > > > > > Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. > > > > > > > > History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. > > > > Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". > > > > Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. > > > > > > > > It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and > > > > how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: > > > > > > > > Joining the Announcements Group > > > > > > > > The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. > > > > > > > > To join the group: > > > > . Log In to the Forum. > > > > . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. > > > > . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. > > > > . Click View Information. > > > > . On the following screen, click Join Group. > > > > > > > > Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator > > > > will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any > > > > announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. > > > > > > > > It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. > > > > > > > > Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. > > > > > > > > "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" > > > > > > > > Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > --Note-- > > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > > to the central-city-discuss list. > > > > --Disclaimer-- > > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From mjfritz at cox.net Fri Sep 29 19:37:03 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:37:03 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review References: <18786045.1159562561773.JavaMail.root@fed1wml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <001b01c6e439$50756ee0$b133b046@Matthew> I do not want to take away from Robin's need to reply with comments. It is more input than I have given to the release of the new guidelines. :) I just hope that we can all look at all new ideas objectively and offer any improvements we may see fit. It seems counter productive to question without concepts of resolution. I think the comment of "not joining the committee" stems from the statement: "Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee..." The committee was open to all parties interested; anyone with clear goals or an ideal mindset of the future of the listserv was able to join the group and contribute. Ironicly the same parties defending the list were the same parties to step up to the plate and attempt to improve it and make it user friendly for all. Rather than question their motives lets all assist them in producing the most effective tool for the community as a whole. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > This proposal was sent to the list for comment. Robin sent her comments. > Now, it appears, she is being criticized for sharing those comments > because (a.) she could have joined the committee but didn't and (b.) she > offered comments without suggestions. > > I don't get it. > > > > > ---- Jo Clute wrote: >> Roobin, >> >> What were your specific suggestions? >> >> Please share those with us also.. >> >> Everyone was invited to be on the committee. >> >> This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, >> recieved from everyone who provided input >> >> we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And >> refined it again. >> >> The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything >> has been disclosed. >> >> thank you for your input........? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: roobin >> To: Central City Discussion >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM >> Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review >> >> >> Observations: >> 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. >> 2. The Delete key is still your only control. >> 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. >> 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this >> guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no >> moderation. >> 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous >> posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self >> moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? >> >> R. >> >> PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, >> please share them. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Wayne Murray >> To: Gcna-Members >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM >> Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review >> >> >> Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, >> comment and input. >> >> >> >> History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list >> format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. >> >> Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into >> the problems" and recommend "solutions". >> >> Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the >> discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. >> >> >> >> It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were >> viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to >> discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and >> prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those >> times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and >> coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of >> similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. >> Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to >> receive comments from individuals. >> >> >> >> >> >> The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado >> Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those >> who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and >> >> how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in >> exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We >> thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what >> most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it >> through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that >> subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their >> own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may >> desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that >> responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the >> list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to >> personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. >> We hope we have given you a guide for that also. >> >> >> >> >> >> When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what >> we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource >> available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more >> structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at >> http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. >> Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. >> See below: >> >> >> >> Joining the Announcements Group >> >> >> >> The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive >> announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This >> group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any >> time. >> >> >> >> To join the group: >> >> . Log In to the Forum. >> >> . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. >> >> . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. >> >> . Click View Information. >> >> . On the following screen, click Join Group. >> >> >> >> Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The >> moderator >> >> will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive >> any >> >> announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board >> Member. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this >> proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word >> document. >> >> >> >> It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the >> Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. >> >> >> >> Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. >> >> >> >> "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" >> >> >> >> Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to >> post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This >> e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood >> Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Note-- >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post >> to the central-city-discuss list. >> >> --Disclaimer-- >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. >> >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From wayne at xnar.com Fri Sep 29 21:33:02 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:33:02 -0700 Subject: Discussion list/comments and suggestions Message-ID: <20060930043306.KYCU6077.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I have been requested to answer the "private suggestions" comment. Many of these came in with the request that they remain from an unknown source (differing reasons). * The "whatever cards" were mostly about the meeting, and no specific to the list serve. * Adding "religion" to Guidelines 2-A. * This looks great - I did make a couple of changes to typos, etc. (Doc with changes attached.) You did a wonderful job - thank you * Under what is the list serve for, deleted "This list serve is not affiliated with and is separate from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association." Are you sure as to the status of affiliation with the GCNA.? * Added under you agree to, G. You agree not to forward to the list serve, private messages that were intended to remain private and not posted to the list serve. This will be considered inflammatory posting in all cases. * Changed under you agree to, A. "Send to all" has been changed to "reply to all". * Under you agree to A. Kevin (web master) changed the MB size from 1MB to 2MB, to reflect the new list guidelines. * Changed at the very end a welcoming statement. "Thanks for joining our online community. We would appreciate if you would announce in your first post if you are new to the list. We would like the chance to welcome you on a more personal basis. Enjoy and help it grow!" The skeleton framework was researched by Coronado resident outside of the committee in the Coronado, on the web, for different kinds of "models" we could begin to work off of. Kevin the webmaster provided a lot of technical support as to what could and couldn't be done. I will spare you the "exchanges". During drafting by the committee a few subscribers requested to see what was being constructed, that is where some of the bulleted comments came from above and why they may seem strange. As we e-mailed them the draft in its preliminary stage. It bounced around between committee members and changes were made using "track changes" so I don't have those available. Committee members sent copies to friends and family for review also, it arrived back to us changed. Some of the suggestions come to us by way of researching the archives; we were discovering what the problem was and found that people had been offering solutions. Some of these were also incorporated into the draft. Here is another example as to the format that suggestions came in: Good timing! Yesterday's digest was 138 pages long. Many discussion list guidelines mention the netiquette of trimming your posts, specifically for the benefit of people who use the digest form. Yesterday we had one person respond via the digest without trimming, so of course that message included the entire 20 message digest from the previous day. Then someone else responded to the first message and we again got the full 20 message digest. The first poster probably learned a lesson, but it seems that lesson has to be relearned every few weeks. I'm sure many digesters didn't bother reading the entire 138 pages. Another issue is the use of attachments and images. Because the digest is delivered in plain text, people on the digest do not see the images and cannot download the attachments. The digest does provide a URL for the attachment. Yesterday was the first time I tried that and it didn't work. Obviously digesters know that we are not receiving the full message. My concern here is primarily for the posters. If you put an image in your message, not everyone will see it. Same with attachments. Here is proposed text for the guidelines. Please trim your posts. Many of our subscribers receive your messages in the digest format and must scroll down each full post to see the all messages. Including lengthy thread histories discourages subscribers from reading the entire digest. Images and Attachments. You are welcome to add images and attachments to your posts. However, please be aware that subscribers to the digest format will not see the images. Attachments are not included in the digest. Thanks, This is what I could find that is still left on my computer and easy to cut and paste. I hope this answers your question. Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/b291512a/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 53488 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/b291512a/attachment.jpe From ktoneal at cox.net Fri Sep 29 21:34:33 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:34:33 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <7514805.1159590873167.JavaMail.root@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net> MJ, Please do not sell yourself short by refusing to take credit for your contributions. Your input was invaluable. Your attitude is even more so. Kt ---- mjfritz wrote: > I do not want to take away from Robin's need to reply with comments. > It is more input than I have given to the release of the new guidelines. :) > I just hope that we can all look at all new ideas objectively and offer any > improvements we may see fit. > It seems counter productive to question without concepts of resolution. > > I think the comment of "not joining the committee" stems from the statement: > "Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline > committee..." > The committee was open to all parties interested; anyone with clear goals or > an ideal mindset of the future of the listserv was able to join the group > and contribute. Ironicly the same parties defending the list were the same > parties to step up to the plate and attempt to improve it and make it user > friendly for all. Rather than question their motives lets all assist them in > producing the most effective tool for the community as a whole. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > > > > This proposal was sent to the list for comment. Robin sent her comments. > > Now, it appears, she is being criticized for sharing those comments > > because (a.) she could have joined the committee but didn't and (b.) she > > offered comments without suggestions. > > > > I don't get it. > > > > > > > > > > ---- Jo Clute wrote: > >> Roobin, > >> > >> What were your specific suggestions? > >> > >> Please share those with us also.. > >> > >> Everyone was invited to be on the committee. > >> > >> This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, > >> recieved from everyone who provided input > >> > >> we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And > >> refined it again. > >> > >> The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything > >> has been disclosed. > >> > >> thank you for your input........? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: roobin > >> To: Central City Discussion > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM > >> Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > >> > >> > >> Observations: > >> 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. > >> 2. The Delete key is still your only control. > >> 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. > >> 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this > >> guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no > >> moderation. > >> 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous > >> posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self > >> moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? > >> > >> R. > >> > >> PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, > >> please share them. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Wayne Murray > >> To: Gcna-Members > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM > >> Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review > >> > >> > >> Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, > >> comment and input. > >> > >> > >> > >> History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list > >> format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. > >> > >> Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into > >> the problems" and recommend "solutions". > >> > >> Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the > >> discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. > >> > >> > >> > >> It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were > >> viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to > >> discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and > >> prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those > >> times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and > >> coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of > >> similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. > >> Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to > >> receive comments from individuals. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado > >> Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those > >> who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and > >> > >> how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in > >> exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We > >> thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what > >> most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it > >> through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that > >> subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their > >> own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may > >> desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that > >> responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the > >> list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to > >> personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. > >> We hope we have given you a guide for that also. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what > >> we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource > >> available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more > >> structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at > >> http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. > >> Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. > >> See below: > >> > >> > >> > >> Joining the Announcements Group > >> > >> > >> > >> The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive > >> announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This > >> group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any > >> time. > >> > >> > >> > >> To join the group: > >> > >> . Log In to the Forum. > >> > >> . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. > >> > >> . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. > >> > >> . Click View Information. > >> > >> . On the following screen, click Join Group. > >> > >> > >> > >> Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The > >> moderator > >> > >> will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive > >> any > >> > >> announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board > >> Member. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this > >> proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word > >> document. > >> > >> > >> > >> It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the > >> Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. > >> > >> > >> > >> Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. > >> > >> > >> > >> "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" > >> > >> > >> > >> Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> --Note-- > >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to > >> post > >> to the central-city-discuss list. > >> > >> --Disclaimer-- > >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This > >> e-mail > >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood > >> Association. > >> > >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> --Note-- > >> By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > >> Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > >> to the central-city-discuss list. > >> > >> --Disclaimer-- > >> The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > >> position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > >> list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > >> editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > >> > >> To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > --Note-- > > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > > to the central-city-discuss list. > > > > --Disclaimer-- > > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From mjfritz at cox.net Fri Sep 29 22:12:40 2006 From: mjfritz at cox.net (mjfritz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:12:40 -0700 Subject: 16th Annual Empty Bowls Message-ID: <007001c6e44f$0d5cc250$b133b046@Matthew> 16th Annual Empty Bowls AJ's Locations: ? Lincoln and Scottsdale Rd., Scottsdale ? Via Linda and Mountain View, Scottsdale ? 44th Street and Camelback, Phoenix ? Ray Rd. and 56th Street, Chandler The annual Empty Bowl Event to honor World Food Day takes place in October every year. This event is put on by Arizona Clay. A $12 donation provides a handcrafted bowl and a greek salas prepared by Big Fat Greek Restaurant. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 43442 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060929/4d91c58b/attachment.jpe From maureenrooney at earthlink.net Sat Sep 30 09:26:40 2006 From: maureenrooney at earthlink.net (Maureen Rooney) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:26:40 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <410-22006963016264093@earthlink.net> For what it is (or isn't) worth, here are some specific comments on the proposed guidelines: - "This listserv is open to all topics." Isn't the topic Coronado... the neighborhood... as broad as that may be? (but as opposed to world politics, just as one example) - Message size: 2 mg may be fine with the server, but that's huge if you are dial-up (some people still are. I think that even 1 mg would be a problem for them.) - The heading "moderator" is doublespeak. Sorry. But if there is no moderation in the proposed guidelines, which seems to be the case, then just say it. Unmoderated. - I don't understand the "never post unsubscribe messages to the list" rule that's suggested. How is that "unfair to others" exactly? Why wouldn't we want to know that people are leaving, and why, if they choose to share their reasons? - "We prohibit..." and "Never" show up in several places. Yet as Roobin points out, there is no way to enforce that language. In general, it seems that the guidelines use a lot of words to say that nothing has changed. If a subscriber doesn't like what's happening, they are free to leave. That hardly seems neighborly--Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: 9/29/2006 11:04:26 AM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Roobin, What were your specific suggestions? Please share those with us also.. Everyone was invited to be on the committee. This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again. The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed. thank you for your input........? ----- Original Message ----- From: roobin To: Central City Discussion Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Observations: 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. 2. The Delete key is still your only control. 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? R. PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Murray To: Gcna-Members Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: Joining the Announcements Group The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. To join the group: . Log In to the Forum. . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. . Click View Information. . On the following screen, click Join Group. Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. ?Collect responsibility??.don?t give it away? Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/ea3a276a/attachment.html From IsisInform at aol.com Sat Sep 30 10:56:05 2006 From: IsisInform at aol.com (IsisInform at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:56:05 EDT Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <379.c85506e.325009b5@aol.com> Hi Everyone -- I agree that the response to Robin's comments on the propsed guidelines seemed like an attack on her right to express an opinion. People concerned about hostility may want to send comments privately to the Board. Their email addresses are listed at http://www.gcna.info/contact/ BTW I found a great Website on flaming, which is what we have been experiencing on this list and what brought us to the necessity of guidelines. It's hilarious and informative. http://www.flayme.com/ Thanks, Katherine ********************************************************************** vcampo1 at cox.net vcampo1 at cox.net Fri Sep 29 13:42:41 PDT 2006 This proposal was sent to the list for comment. Robin sent her comments. Now, it appears, she is being criticized for sharing those comments because (a.) she could have joined the committee but didn't and (b.) she offered comments without suggestions. I don't get it. ---- Jo Clute wrote: > Roobin, > > What were your specific suggestions? > > Please share those with us also.. > > Everyone was invited to be on the committee. > > This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input > > we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again. > > The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed. > > thank you for your input........? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roobin > To: Central City Discussion > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > > > Observations: > 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. > 2. The Delete key is still your only control. > 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. > 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. > 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? > > R. > > PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/99776120/attachment.html From malka16 at cox.net Sat Sep 30 11:00:15 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:00:15 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review References: <410-22006963016264093@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2f0001c6e4ba$48d24e70$1b31b046@yourtwa0macjqu> Hi Maureen: Just my thoughts on the issues you raise I believe the phrase "all topics" makes it clear that we can share information about anything that anyone in the neighborhood thinks might be interesting to the others on the listserve. To limit it to just Coronado issues, we would have to determine what those are, list them somewhere and require that people only speak to those issues. Way too restrictive, I think. There are so many things going on that we can and should be sharing with one another that could impact us from any number areas, it should not be limited. We are advocating for a self-monitored system and under the heading "Moderator" we define that, It can certainly be changed to "Listserve is Self Moderated" The whole point of this exercise was to provide neighbors with a set of guidelines that they would agree to if they chose to participate on the listserve. We will always retain the right and the ability to remove people if we cannot stop the flow of "prohibited" language such as discriminatory language or criminal behavior but we believe that people will accept the guidelines, understand them and act accordingly. Setting forth these guidelines gives participants an understanding of their personal responsibility when posting without squelching the free flow of good ideas, important information, and the opportunity to get to know one another without a third party watching, controlling and dictating how we communicate. The purpose behind the creation of the guidelines was to set some broad parameters, giving people a wide berth to express themselves in a positive, neighborly manner. I don't think we have to be punitive to get people to adhere to the guidelines, so providing for some sort of enforcement automatically sets a negative tone. We really wanted to create something that would give people the responsibility to police themselves and each other, take ownership and create buy in. That's the way to encouraging good behavior, not with threats and punishment. and something has changed, we now have written guidelines that set forth our standards for use of the listserve with expectation that we will all follow them. Michelle VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen Rooney To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review For what it is (or isn't) worth, here are some specific comments on the proposed guidelines: - "This listserv is open to all topics." Isn't the topic Coronado... the neighborhood... as broad as that may be? (but as opposed to world politics, just as one example) - Message size: 2 mg may be fine with the server, but that's huge if you are dial-up (some people still are. I think that even 1 mg would be a problem for them.) - The heading "moderator" is doublespeak. Sorry. But if there is no moderation in the proposed guidelines, which seems to be the case, then just say it. Unmoderated. - I don't understand the "never post unsubscribe messages to the list" rule that's suggested. How is that "unfair to others" exactly? Why wouldn't we want to know that people are leaving, and why, if they choose to share their reasons? - "We prohibit..." and "Never" show up in several places. Yet as Roobin points out, there is no way to enforce that language. In general, it seems that the guidelines use a lot of words to say that nothing has changed. If a subscriber doesn't like what's happening, they are free to leave. That hardly seems neighborly--Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Clute To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: 9/29/2006 11:04:26 AM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Roobin, What were your specific suggestions? Please share those with us also.. Everyone was invited to be on the committee. This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again. The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed. thank you for your input........? ----- Original Message ----- From: roobin To: Central City Discussion Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Observations: 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. 2. The Delete key is still your only control. 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? R. PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Murray To: Gcna-Members Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: Joining the Announcements Group The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. To join the group: . Log In to the Forum. . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. . Click View Information. . On the following screen, click Join Group. Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. "Collect responsibility...don't give it away" Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/bd6af0a7/attachment.html From donmertes1 at cox.net Sat Sep 30 11:23:53 2006 From: donmertes1 at cox.net (Don Mertes) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:23:53 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Message-ID: <088301c6e4bd$95dd7bb0$f333b046@D9HRH071> Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up for - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. We will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx 2 weeks later. There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate all of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them as intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! Thanks again for everyone's help, :) Don Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/7d77300e/attachment.html From josepi at doitnow.com Sat Sep 30 11:29:51 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:29:51 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review References: <379.c85506e.325009b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <0e4c01c6e4be$6b3b85e0$6401a8c0@JoClute> Katherine, your email is a perfect example showing how things can be misconstrued. I personally didn't see one single reply to any of these comments as an attack-(FYI this email is not an attack either). I didn't even read in hostility, Robin made her comments, and so did those that followed I saw it as ongoing dialogue...which is what happens when people try to resolve issues or basically talk about anything for that matter. Why assume its an attack, we can also assume it wasn't. Email doesn't do the spoken word justice. Which coincides with TJ's comments, 100 people will probably read this email with their 100 own personl filters and expereinces. Sarcasm can be read in when the author did not intend it to be so. We all individually need to be careful about how we interpret emails. I know for myself that if Wayne writes something that I am unclear as to context, I just call him. We can't call the 100 people on this list to clarify so taking to the level of seriousness and have everything go private may be an overstep. But then again, it is very appropriate in some instances. i will judge for myself, everyone else can judge for themselves I think it also needs to be noted that are are twelve thousand or so people in our neighborhood NOT on this list. When more people get on, there will be more and more emails that will be sent, more dialogue, more opinions, more everthing...This list may not be the right vehicle for everyone. I think that should be ok,too. Everyone is not going to happy no matter what anyone does. Its statistically impossible. Jody Disclaimer: Sarcasm and offensive aggression is not the author's intent of this email ----- Original Message ----- From: IsisInform at aol.com To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Hi Everyone -- I agree that the response to Robin's comments on the propsed guidelines seemed like an attack on her right to express an opinion. People concerned about hostility may want to send comments privately to the Board. Their email addresses are listed at http://www.gcna.info/contact/ BTW I found a great Website on flaming, which is what we have been experiencing on this list and what brought us to the necessity of guidelines. It's hilarious and informative. http://www.flayme.com/ Thanks, Katherine ********************************************************************** vcampo1 at cox.net vcampo1 at cox.net Fri Sep 29 13:42:41 PDT 2006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This proposal was sent to the list for comment. Robin sent her comments. Now, it appears, she is being criticized for sharing those comments because (a.) she could have joined the committee but didn't and (b.) she offered comments without suggestions. I don't get it. ---- Jo Clute wrote: > Roobin, > > What were your specific suggestions? > > Please share those with us also.. > > Everyone was invited to be on the committee. > > This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input > > we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again. > > The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed. > > thank you for your input........? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roobin > To: Central City Discussion > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > > > Observations: > 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. > 2. The Delete key is still your only control. > 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. > 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. > 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? > > R. > > PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/fa9e3898/attachment.html From ktoneal at cox.net Sat Sep 30 11:37:07 2006 From: ktoneal at cox.net (ktoneal at cox.net) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:37:07 -0700 Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review Message-ID: <7054411.1159641427955.JavaMail.root@fed1wml14.mgt.cox.net> Maureen, Thank you for your input. As I thought I had explained before, (perhaps I failed at putting the thoughts in writing), the committee believes this list serv is a unique part of the Coronado neighborhood. It should not be strictly limited to the announcement of Coronado activities or for obtaining referrals. While both of these things are allowed and encouraged on this list serv, there are other sources for those who wish to be involved in announcement only type postings. You can find them by visiting the neighborhood website at gcna.info. The list serv is a place for neighborhood discussions. Not just a discussion about the neighborhood. This is the reason the committee felt it necessary to include ALL topics. However, we also felt it necessary to prohibit inflamatory prejudicial topics. We do not believe this is a format for spreading the hate. We want everyone to understand that it will not be tolerated by the committee or anyone else paticpating in the conversation at the time. I will also try to make our stand on moderation a bit clearer. We have appointed a moderator. It is mjfritz, roobin, tjvick, vcampo, Maureen Rooney, etc. It's quite similar to a block watch, which in many cases proves to be more effective than a single policeman who simply cannot be in all places at all times. Timing is important on this list serv as many conversations happen in real time. Appointing the "neighborhood block watch of the list serv" is a practical, sensible solution. The guidelines will help everyone understand what will be tolerated and what will not. Private emails will be sent by private individuals. If someone persists with spreading the hate, we as individuals, can block their emails from our own inbox. I personally do not need, nor do I want, someone else doing that for me. Without a voice in the neighborhood, the hate will end. The messages will stop. I strongly believe the Coronado neighborhood can be trusted with this task. I strongly believe we should be trusted with this task. As for the size of the postings, I must defer to the tech wizards. Perhaps Kevin can explain and add his input. As for not posting unsubscribe messages, I believe that pertains to asking someone else to unsubscribe. That is how I understood it, perhaps I am mistaken, though. I again will defer to others on the committee. Kt ---- Maureen Rooney wrote: > For what it is (or isn't) worth, here are some specific comments on the proposed guidelines: > > - "This listserv is open to all topics." Isn't the topic Coronado... the neighborhood... as broad as that may be? (but as opposed to world politics, just as one example) > - Message size: 2 mg may be fine with the server, but that's huge if you are dial-up (some people still are. I think that even 1 mg would be a problem for them.) > - The heading "moderator" is doublespeak. Sorry. But if there is no moderation in the proposed guidelines, which seems to be the case, then just say it. Unmoderated. > - I don't understand the "never post unsubscribe messages to the list" rule that's suggested. How is that "unfair to others" exactly? Why wouldn't we want to know that people are leaving, and why, if they choose to share their reasons? > - "We prohibit..." and "Never" show up in several places. Yet as Roobin points out, there is no way to enforce that language. > > In general, it seems that the guidelines use a lot of words to say that nothing has changed. If a subscriber doesn't like what's happening, they are free to leave. That hardly seems neighborly--Maureen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jo Clute > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Sent: 9/29/2006 11:04:26 AM > Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > > > Roobin, > > What were your specific suggestions? > > Please share those with us also.. > > Everyone was invited to be on the committee. > > This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input > > we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again. > > The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed. > > thank you for your input........? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roobin > To: Central City Discussion > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review > > > Observations: > 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system. > 2. The Delete key is still your only control. > 3. There are no provisions for enforcement. > 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation. > 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be? > > R. > > PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wayne Murray > To: Gcna-Members > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM > Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review > > > Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input. > > History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns. > Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions". > Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes. > > It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals. > > > The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and > how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for that also. > > > When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer. See below: > > Joining the Announcements Group > > The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any time. > > To join the group: > . Log In to the Forum. > . Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. > . Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. > . Click View Information. > . On the following screen, click Join Group. > > Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator > will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any > announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member. > > > > The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document. > > It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond. > > Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net > > Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place. > > ?Collect responsibility .don?t give it away? > > Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From malka16 at cox.net Sat Sep 30 11:45:03 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:45:03 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) References: <088301c6e4bd$95dd7bb0$f333b046@D9HRH071> Message-ID: <304001c6e4c0$8ac30c10$1b31b046@yourtwa0macjqu> It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting and prepare to take action at that time. This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act accordingly. Michelle VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Mertes To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up for - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. We will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx 2 weeks later. There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate all of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them as intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! Thanks again for everyone's help, :) Don Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/3a5e309a/attachment.html From donmertes1 at cox.net Sat Sep 30 11:58:07 2006 From: donmertes1 at cox.net (Don Mertes) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:58:07 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) In-Reply-To: <304001c6e4c0$8ac30c10$1b31b046@yourtwa0macjqu> Message-ID: <08af01c6e4c2$5dfc6c10$f333b046@D9HRH071> So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, Michelle... I don't understand. :) Don _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle Steinberg Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting and prepare to take action at that time. This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act accordingly. Michelle VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Mertes To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up for - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. We will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx 2 weeks later. There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate all of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them as intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! Thanks again for everyone's help, :) Don Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 _____ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/7de676b5/attachment.html From donmertes1 at cox.net Sat Sep 30 12:08:27 2006 From: donmertes1 at cox.net (Don Mertes) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:27 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) In-Reply-To: <08af01c6e4c2$5dfc6c10$f333b046@D9HRH071> Message-ID: <08be01c6e4c3$cf4af6b0$f333b046@D9HRH071> I tried to get a rough copy of the recommendations from the Committee Chairs prior to the last board meeting so that this COULD be expedited. Katherine offered her individual recommendations (thank you Katherine), but I heard nothing back from Ivana regarding the rest of the committee. I wanted this done quickly, too... But, it's necessary that the board meets to discuss this before bringing it to the general meeting. :) Don _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Don Mertes Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:58 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, Michelle... I don't understand. :) Don _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle Steinberg Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting and prepare to take action at that time. This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act accordingly. Michelle VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Mertes To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up for - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. We will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx 2 weeks later. There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate all of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them as intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! Thanks again for everyone's help, :) Don Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 _____ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/148652e3/attachment.html From hazey_marie at hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 13:17:55 2006 From: hazey_marie at hotmail.com (Ivana Olson) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:17:55 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) In-Reply-To: <08be01c6e4c3$cf4af6b0$f333b046@D9HRH071> Message-ID: We hadn't finished our editing of the guidelines yet and I did not want to rush that process as it would have cut down on the amount of imput it has gained. I wanted to make sure that the guidelines had been agreed upon by everyone before passing them on to the board. Also, I was under the impression that the board meetings were still on the Monday prior to the first Thursday of every month. I must have missed when that changed. When did that change, anyway? -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Don Mertes" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:27 -0700 I tried to get a rough copy of the recommendations from the Committee Chairs prior to the last board meeting so that this COULD be expedited. Katherine offered her individual recommendations (thank you Katherine), but I heard nothing back from Ivana regarding the rest of the committee. I wanted this done quickly, too... But, it's necessary that the board meets to discuss this before bringing it to the general meeting. :) Don _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Don Mertes Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:58 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, Michelle... I don't understand. :) Don _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle Steinberg Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting and prepare to take action at that time. This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act accordingly. Michelle VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Mertes To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up for - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. We will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx 2 weeks later. There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate all of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them as intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! Thanks again for everyone's help, :) Don Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 _____ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From malka16 at cox.net Sat Sep 30 13:26:47 2006 From: malka16 at cox.net (Michelle Steinberg) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:26:47 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) References: <08af01c6e4c2$5dfc6c10$f333b046@D9HRH071> Message-ID: <309901c6e4ce$c134d9a0$1b31b046@yourtwa0macjqu> Sorry Don, I don't understand, I thought I was being perfectly clear. Give the board the proposed guidelines today, ask them to read them and be prepared to discuss and vote on Oct 5. Pretty simple, really. VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Mertes To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, Michelle... I don't understand. :) Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle Steinberg Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting and prepare to take action at that time. This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act accordingly. Michelle VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Mertes To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up for - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. We will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx 2 weeks later. There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate all of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them as intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! Thanks again for everyone's help, :) Don Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. 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URL: /pipermail/central-city-discuss_gcna.info/attachments/20060930/dd23c463/attachment.html From donmertes1 at cox.net Sat Sep 30 14:33:54 2006 From: donmertes1 at cox.net (Don Mertes) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:33:54 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <08f101c6e4d8$2117baf0$f333b046@D9HRH071> I appreciate that Ivana. This has to have taken quite a bit of time. But when I called you, I was simply looking for some sort of "direction" that you and the rest of the committee were steering toward so that the board could enter into a discussion about it and expedite a solution. Instead, I heard nothing... Not even an email or returned phone call. I know that you're busy - so am I. But you know, I honestly did try to hasten all of this. :) Don -----Original Message----- From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:18 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) We hadn't finished our editing of the guidelines yet and I did not want to rush that process as it would have cut down on the amount of imput it has gained. I wanted to make sure that the guidelines had been agreed upon by everyone before passing them on to the board. Also, I was under the impression that the board meetings were still on the Monday prior to the first Thursday of every month. I must have missed when that changed. When did that change, anyway? -Ivana ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Don Mertes" Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info To: Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:27 -0700 I tried to get a rough copy of the recommendations from the Committee Chairs prior to the last board meeting so that this COULD be expedited. Katherine offered her individual recommendations (thank you Katherine), but I heard nothing back from Ivana regarding the rest of the committee. I wanted this done quickly, too... But, it's necessary that the board meets to discuss this before bringing it to the general meeting. :) Don _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Don Mertes Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:58 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, Michelle... I don't understand. :) Don _____ From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle Steinberg Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting and prepare to take action at that time. This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act accordingly. Michelle VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. REGISTER AND VOTE!! www.servicearizona.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Mertes To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up for - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. We will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx 2 weeks later. There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate all of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them as intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! Thanks again for everyone's help, :) Don Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking forward to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please attend. Wayne Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 _____ _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list _______________________________________________ --Note-- By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to the central-city-discuss list. --Disclaimer-- The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list From josepi at doitnow.com Sat Sep 30 14:47:40 2006 From: josepi at doitnow.com (Jo Clute) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:47:40 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) References: <08f101c6e4d8$2117baf0$f333b046@D9HRH071> Message-ID: <0fa901c6e4da$0e1bbc60$6401a8c0@JoClute> Its all good, Ivana, we have submitted the poposal, everyone contributed-which took a bit of time-- Everyone has it now to read, more comments are coming in, and we all look forward to discussing this, putting it behind us, and moving forward.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Mertes" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) > > > I appreciate that Ivana. This has to have taken quite a bit of time. But > when I called you, I was simply looking for some sort of "direction" that > you and the rest of the committee were steering toward so that the board > could enter into a discussion about it and expedite a solution. Instead, > I > heard nothing... Not even an email or returned phone call. I know that > you're busy - so am I. But you know, I honestly did try to hasten all of > this. > :) Don > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:18 PM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > We hadn't finished our editing of the guidelines yet and I did not want to > rush that process as it would have cut down on the amount of imput it has > gained. I wanted to make sure that the guidelines had been agreed upon by > everyone before passing them on to the board. Also, I was under the > impression that the board meetings were still on the Monday prior to the > first Thursday of every month. I must have missed when that changed. When > did that change, anyway? > > > -Ivana > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Don Mertes" > Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > To: > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:27 -0700 > > > I tried to get a rough copy of the recommendations from the Committee > Chairs > prior to the last board meeting so that this COULD be expedited. > Katherine > offered her individual recommendations (thank you Katherine), but I heard > nothing back from Ivana regarding the rest of the committee. I wanted > this > done quickly, too... But, it's necessary that the board meets to discuss > this before bringing it to the general meeting. > :) Don > > _____ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Don Mertes > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:58 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > > > > So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I > will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, > Michelle... > I don't understand. > :) Don > > > _____ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle > Steinberg > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > > It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could > take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting > and > prepare to take action at that time. > > This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, > this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an > opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. > > Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a > member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the > agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The > committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines > at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act > accordingly. > Michelle > > > VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. > REGISTER AND VOTE!! > www.servicearizona.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Mertes > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM > Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! > I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that > folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up > for > - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed > recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will > print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. > We > will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx > 2 > weeks later. > There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the > ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have > done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate > all > of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the > individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them > as > intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just > wanted > to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to > the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a > copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! > Thanks again for everyone's help, > :) Don > > > > Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking > forward > to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please > attend. > > Wayne > Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 > > > > _____ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is > maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial > directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is > maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial > directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is > maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial > directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From roobin at theriver.com Sat Sep 30 15:12:31 2006 From: roobin at theriver.com (roobin) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:12:31 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) References: <08f101c6e4d8$2117baf0$f333b046@D9HRH071> Message-ID: <006a01c6e4dd$86c1a1e0$0400000a@beta> So... I'm confused... as there is some discrepancy in time. Is that document that Wayne posted on the 26th the committee's final draft or not? R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Mertes" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) > > > I appreciate that Ivana. This has to have taken quite a bit of time. But > when I called you, I was simply looking for some sort of "direction" that > you and the rest of the committee were steering toward so that the board > could enter into a discussion about it and expedite a solution. Instead, > I > heard nothing... Not even an email or returned phone call. I know that > you're busy - so am I. But you know, I honestly did try to hasten all of > this. > :) Don > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:18 PM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > We hadn't finished our editing of the guidelines yet and I did not want to > rush that process as it would have cut down on the amount of imput it has > gained. I wanted to make sure that the guidelines had been agreed upon by > everyone before passing them on to the board. Also, I was under the > impression that the board meetings were still on the Monday prior to the > first Thursday of every month. I must have missed when that changed. When > did that change, anyway? > > > -Ivana > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Don Mertes" > Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > To: > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:27 -0700 > > > I tried to get a rough copy of the recommendations from the Committee > Chairs > prior to the last board meeting so that this COULD be expedited. > Katherine > offered her individual recommendations (thank you Katherine), but I heard > nothing back from Ivana regarding the rest of the committee. I wanted > this > done quickly, too... But, it's necessary that the board meets to discuss > this before bringing it to the general meeting. > :) Don > > _____ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Don Mertes > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:58 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > > > > So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I > will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, > Michelle... > I don't understand. > :) Don > > > _____ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle > Steinberg > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > > It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could > take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting > and > prepare to take action at that time. > > This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, > this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an > opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. > > Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a > member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the > agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The > committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines > at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act > accordingly. > Michelle > > > VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. > REGISTER AND VOTE!! > www.servicearizona.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Mertes > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM > Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! > I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that > folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up > for > - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed > recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will > print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. > We > will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx > 2 > weeks later. > There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the > ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have > done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate > all > of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the > individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them > as > intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just > wanted > to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to > the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a > copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! > Thanks again for everyone's help, > :) Don > > > > Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking > forward > to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please > attend. > > Wayne > Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 > > > > _____ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is > maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial > directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is > maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial > directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is > maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial > directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post > to the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail > list is maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or > editorial directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > From wayne at xnar.com Sat Sep 30 15:48:17 2006 From: wayne at xnar.com (Wayne Murray) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:48:17 -0700 Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) In-Reply-To: <006a01c6e4dd$86c1a1e0$0400000a@beta> Message-ID: <20060930224806.PQSD13992.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Changed back to 1MB, pending consult with Kevin as to 2MB and dial-up. Religion added Guideline 2-A You agree to added H and J Attached above is where it is now with changes above from the one posted 9/26/2006 W -----Original Message----- From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of roobin Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:13 PM To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) So... I'm confused... as there is some discrepancy in time. Is that document that Wayne posted on the 26th the committee's final draft or not? R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Mertes" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (Ivana) > > > I appreciate that Ivana. This has to have taken quite a bit of time. But > when I called you, I was simply looking for some sort of "direction" that > you and the rest of the committee were steering toward so that the board > could enter into a discussion about it and expedite a solution. Instead, > I > heard nothing... Not even an email or returned phone call. I know that > you're busy - so am I. But you know, I honestly did try to hasten all of > this. > :) Don > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Ivana Olson > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:18 PM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > We hadn't finished our editing of the guidelines yet and I did not want to > rush that process as it would have cut down on the amount of imput it has > gained. I wanted to make sure that the guidelines had been agreed upon by > everyone before passing them on to the board. Also, I was under the > impression that the board meetings were still on the Monday prior to the > first Thursday of every month. I must have missed when that changed. When > did that change, anyway? > > > -Ivana > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Don Mertes" > Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > To: > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:27 -0700 > > > I tried to get a rough copy of the recommendations from the Committee > Chairs > prior to the last board meeting so that this COULD be expedited. > Katherine > offered her individual recommendations (thank you Katherine), but I heard > nothing back from Ivana regarding the rest of the committee. I wanted > this > done quickly, too... But, it's necessary that the board meets to discuss > this before bringing it to the general meeting. > :) Don > > _____ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Don Mertes > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:58 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: RE: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > > > > So, by allowing the board the opportunity to digest all of these ideas, I > will instead be saying that they mean nothing ? You've lost me, > Michelle... > I don't understand. > :) Don > > > _____ > > From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info > [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Michelle > Steinberg > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:45 AM > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Subject: Re: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > > It seems to me Don that this process could be expedited if the board could > take the time to go over the document before the Oct. 5 general meeting > and > prepare to take action at that time. > > This is precisely what should be taking up general meeting time. In fact, > this is what general meetings are for, to allow the general membership an > opportunity to speak to the action issues the board will consider. > > Please consider this an official request from a member of the GCNA and a > member of the guidelines committee asking you to place this issue on the > agenda for discussion and action at the Oct. 5 general meeting. The > committee has spent considerable time and effort creating these guidelines > at the board's request and we ask that you recognize this and act > accordingly. > Michelle > > > VOTE today to change the world tomorrow. > REGISTER AND VOTE!! > www.servicearizona.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Mertes > To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:23 AM > Subject: The Notorious BOGs... (ListServ Committee Members) > > Hi Wayne (BOG#5) and the rest of the Bureau !! > I wanted to clarify how the recommendations will be addressed, so that > folks don't think that they're going to the General Meeting to stand up > for > - or shoot down (whatever the case) the committee's proposed > recommendations. I have what I believe to be a final copy (?) that I will > print off and disperse to all board members during the General meeting. > We > will each review them and discuss our thoughts at the board meeting, appx > 2 > weeks later. > There is no need - at this point - for discussions regarding the > ListServ to take up general meeting time. You & the rest of the BOGs have > done everything that you've been asked to do and I/we REALLY appreciate > all > of the work involved. In the days following the general meeting, the > individual board members can read through your thoughts and consider them > as > intended. No "final" decisions will be made prior to this, so I just > wanted > to make sure that everyone understands that. If there are any changes to > the recommendations prior to the general meeting, please make sure that a > copy is forwarded to me, so that I am dispersing the right copy !! > Thanks again for everyone's help, > :) Don > > > > Something like this has been needed for sometime now, we are looking > forward > to moving this into a reality at the October 5th General Meeting, please > attend. > > Wayne > Bureau of Guardians committee member #5 > > > > _____ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. This e-mail list is > maintained by an outside source, with no financial tie, or editorial > directive from the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association. > > To maintain your subscription, visit http://www.gcna.info/list > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Note-- > By replying to this email, you will be sending to the entire list. > Be sure to change the recipient of the email if you do not want to post to > the central-city-discuss list. > > --Disclaimer-- > The messages exchanged on this list in no way reflect the official > position > of the Greater Coronado Neighborhood association. 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